How could we have let Sara down so badly?

Anniebach

Did he not speak of culture and her family?

You can read the judgement for yourself.

Anniebach

Children are a blessing in the Christian faith, this has never stopped some Christians from abusing children.

With respect this defence of all Muslims is strange, I have never said abuse is part of Muslim faith , I am sure abuse can be found in all faiths and non faith

The defence is actually a challenge of the constant attacks on all things Muslim. I don't find it strange that people try to have rational discussions rather than one-sided attacks.

Did he not speak of culture and her family?

Iam64

petal53

I worked amongst Bangladeshi Muslims and the culture amongst them was to cherish their children, boys and girls. I never had a Bangladeshi child in my care (teaching) who was under Social Services. Maybe Pakistani culture is different, I don’t know. Apparently the judge mentioned culture, but I didn’t hear the judgement.

Poor, poor little Sara. My heart hurts thinking of what she endured.

I live and worked in a town with a large Muslim population of Pakistani origin. There were cultural differences, gender, toys, diet etc but the core values were universal. Children were a blessing to be nurtured and kept safe. Children attended school, education seen as key. About 40% of referrals to children’s social care come from schools it’s worth remembering neglect and physical abuse in that community wasn’t a ‘cultural’ issue.
I haven’t read the judgement and will do as I’m not sure if the Judge meant abuse was part of the culture in the step mothers family, or within the community

Agreed.

The judge did describe the abuse being part of life in her. family not the community.

Children are a blessing in the Christian faith, this has never stopped some Christians from abusing children.

With respect this defence of all Muslims is strange, I have never said abuse is part of Muslim faith , I am sure abuse can be found in all faiths and non faith

petal53

I worked amongst Bangladeshi Muslims and the culture amongst them was to cherish their children, boys and girls. I never had a Bangladeshi child in my care (teaching) who was under Social Services. Maybe Pakistani culture is different, I don’t know. Apparently the judge mentioned culture, but I didn’t hear the judgement.

Poor, poor little Sara. My heart hurts thinking of what she endured.

I live and worked in a town with a large Muslim population of Pakistani origin. There were cultural differences, gender, toys, diet etc but the core values were universal. Children were a blessing to be nurtured and kept safe. Children attended school, education seen as key. About 40% of referrals to children’s social care come from schools it’s worth remembering neglect and physical abuse in that community wasn’t a ‘cultural’ issue.
I haven’t read the judgement and will do as I’m not sure if the Judge meant abuse was part of the culture in the step mothers family, or within the community

www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/The-King-v-Sharif-Batool-and-Malik.pdf

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I have posted a link to what the judge actually said, it makes very difficult reading. Sharif is clearly a vile, sadistic excuse for a human with a long history of abusive and violent behaviour. Below is a small section of the summing up.
"I am satisfied that you assaulted former partners and a partner’s child, and had behaved in a controlling or coercive manner towards them, though you have no convictions for this. You have a history of preying on vulnerable women, including doing so in order to obtain permanent residence in this country"
www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/The-King-v-Sharif-Batool-and-Malik.pd

My three grandchildren have just arrived from New Zealand yesterday with their mother. I’ve been out with them today buying Christmas presents from them for their mum.
I couldn’t harm a single hair on their heads (and neither could any of the grandparents on here, I’m sure.)

I worked amongst Bangladeshi Muslims and the culture amongst them was to cherish their children, boys and girls. I never had a Bangladeshi child in my care (teaching) who was under Social Services. Maybe Pakistani culture is different, I don’t know. Apparently the judge mentioned culture, but I didn’t hear the judgement.

Poor, poor little Sara. My heart hurts thinking of what she endured.

The judge was meticulous in spelling out how he couldn't "double count" some of the offences when he was working the sentence tariffs out.

Unspoken but plain as day meaning:

Looking at you, defence counsel.
Don't even think about lodging an appeal 😠

Did the Judge mean a culture of abuse within the step mothers family or did he mean cultural ie Muslim and|or Pakistani

The judge spoke of culture ,

I'm not sure harming a child then tending to their injuries is a cultural issue.

No more than starving poor little Daniel Pelka to death was a cultural issue.

Too distressing for words.

It was cultural. It was a whole family in collusion against a ten year old child who was brave and defiant, and they colluded as the father beat, literally, the living daylights out of her; systematic torture. The father, the stepmother, the uncle, the step aunts, even her own brother; the relatives in Pakistan who hid the family. I listened to every word, and I won't ever forget it.

Yes, I can imagine. I’ve read and heard judgements, never failed to be impressed by the forensic detail and analysis, and compassion, in this case for Sara. One point he stressed was the fact her abuse took place in front of the other children. Terrifying -

Far worse Iam , listening to the judge , I wish I hadn’t listened

I only heard part of the judgement Anniebach. It’s clear from what I heard that this child’s suffering was even worse than we know so far.

RIP Sara

The judge spoke of the step mother affected by culture from her own family . There were times she tried to tend to Sara injuries, times when she inflicted injuries,

FriedGreenTomatoes, I share your horror at the behaviour of these 3 adults. I agree cultural differences in the value placed on girls may be an issue but, I’ve heard ‘why won’t x ever learn’ from white British as well as parents from many cultures. The idea you can batter, whip and terrify chikdren into doing your will is not confined to Muslims of Pakistani origin.

What this child suffered is almost impossible to believe. Over 100 injuries found at the post Mortem.
I wonder if Mr Sharrif’s father will accept the judgement and guilty finding

Sarnia

They may be incarcerated with criminals but the majority of them have a code of conduct and any crime concerning a child will not be tolerated. I hope this cruel trio spend every second of their sentences looking over their shoulder in fear and trepidation of what the other inmates may do to them.

Unfortunately, prison staff have a duty of care even to prisoners like that.

Anniebach

The father minimum 40 years

Step mother minimum 33 years

Uncle 19 years

Uncle 19 years

Uncle just 16 years.
That is the maximum sentence for allowing the death of a child.

They may be incarcerated with criminals but the majority of them have a code of conduct and any crime concerning a child will not be tolerated. I hope this cruel trio spend every second of their sentences looking over their shoulder in fear and trepidation of what the other inmates may do to them.