How could we have let Sara down so badly?

Yes I realised this, thanks. BTW I didn't report the thread, the discussion was getting utterly bewildering and so I pointed out the guidelines as it seems to have drifted well beyond relevance to the O/P.

Wyllow3

(the subject above is important of course I'm just suggesting it may belong elsewhere)

My post wasn't intended as a response to yours, Wyllow3, yours appeared in between.

growstuff

Thank you for posting that foxie. I couldn't remember the exact word which was used, but I think 'slapper' is more or less synonymous with 'slag' and 'white trash'. That is what the police and others in authority thought Anniebach and why they didn't take it seriously.

I agree we should remain with Sara but I want to comment on this sweeping statement. My experience was that not all police and multi agency workers were so offensive and dismissive. Many recognised we were dealing with organised abuse of vulnerable children. The criminal courts are awful places for victims of these kind of offences. The CPS is reluctant to prosecute unless there’s a high likelihood of guilty conviction. It took continued pressure from police, social workers, health workers and Nazir A at the CPS to finally get effective investigations.

(the subject above is important of course I'm just suggesting it may belong elsewhere)

I have no idea.

As you seem to know what others mean when you say they imply something, please let us know.

This is getting very confusing indeed as we seem to have lost touch with the subject of the thread, but also seem to be referring at some points to another thread.

In GN guidelines:

Similarly, we will delete threads about other ongoing threads, as it causes too much confusion on the forums

Can we stay with Sara please.

Allira

^It was not the cause of the violence^
We know that.

You're changing the narrative and altering what posters said.

I don't think so. So what were they implying when religion was introduced into the discussion?

Thank you for posting that foxie. I couldn't remember the exact word which was used, but I think 'slapper' is more or less synonymous with 'slag' and 'white trash'. That is what the police and others in authority thought Anniebach and why they didn't take it seriously.

Anniebach below is a small section from the Rochdale report which will put into context the comments that you seem to be misunderstanding, no one on this forum is saying the girls were slappers or making comments that they chose a lifestyle of abuse. They are paraphrasing what was widely reported in the media at the time. I hope it helps.
"The 2012 report from the Joint Inquiry into Children Who Go Missing from Care found that
teenage girls groomed and sexually abused by groups of men were viewed by staff as making a
‘lifestyle choice’ or denounced as promiscuous ‘slags’ (All Party Parliamentary Group 2012). A
police officer was said to have described a victim as ‘white trash’ (Norfolk 2012c). Children
abused by organised groups were viewed by staff as ‘making their own choices’ and engaging in
consensual activity (Ward 2012). Those girls who did complain were denounced as ‘lacking
credibility’ (Norfolk 2012b). Some victims have suggested that the authorities did not believe
them because they could not comprehend the seriousness of the abuse they were disclosing"

Very young girls choose the lifestyle of a slapper, really

It was not the cause of the violence
We know that.

You're changing the narrative and altering what posters said.

Allira

Iam64

The greater impediment to investigating and prosecuting men in the Rochdale and other grooming scandal wasn’t the alleged fear of accusations of racism. It was the abject failure to protect girls from sexual exploitation. The failure to see the girls aged mainly 13-15, as victims. They were labelled as making poor lifestyle choices.

I'm sure we all make some poor lifestyle choices but none as devastating as those.
In most cases our parents are there to guide us but for some children, sadly, they lack the right support.

OK! Let's not pussyfoot around with talking about lifestyle choices. The police thought the girls were little slappers.

Allira

^It didn't need to be mentioned in the first place^

Why?

Why should religion have been mentioned? It was not the cause of the violence.

Anniebach

Unbelievable, the Rochdale abuse cases were caused by the parents

Some mothers of the children in Rochdale asked and asked for
help,

And the police didn't believe them.

Anniebach

It all started because the. child was wearing a hijab, questioning
this caused anger for. some, questioning there may have been reluctance to. report anyone as happened in the Rotherham
grooming cases causes anger for some.

It is acceptable to question Christian priests committing crimes , Jews committing crimes, not the Muslim faith, only one
poster brought up religion in the thread of the murder of the
2 year old, in the O/P,

Facts no faith teaches rape, sexual abuse, physical abuse, murder

Yes, that was me! And you misunderstood my point.

It didn't need to be mentioned in the first place

Why?

Unbelievable, the Rochdale abuse cases were caused by the parents

Some mothers of the children in Rochdale asked and asked for
help,

Anniebach

Pointless discussion, a police officer in the MET. can describe
a man wearing a kippah as openly Jewish .
I am not troubled if the murderer is Muslim, devout Muslim or
not , I am troubled by the many attempts to silence any mention of the Muslim faith, it happened in Rochdale

Why should it need to be silenced in the Sara Sharif case? It didn't need to be mentioned in the first place.

Iam64

The greater impediment to investigating and prosecuting men in the Rochdale and other grooming scandal wasn’t the alleged fear of accusations of racism. It was the abject failure to protect girls from sexual exploitation. The failure to see the girls aged mainly 13-15, as victims. They were labelled as making poor lifestyle choices.

I'm sure we all make some poor lifestyle choices but none as devastating as those.
In most cases our parents are there to guide us but for some children, sadly, they lack the right support.

Manipulative cruel individual

Is the grandfather of Sara and the children the father of Urfan Sharif? If so, that is extremely worrying if he brought up a son capable of such wickedness.
The older boy, Sara's brother, is the one who worries me most, what he witnessed and what he thinks is normal.

Misunderstandings on difficult subjects like this do happen, good to sort asap

The greater impediment to investigating and prosecuting men in the Rochdale and other grooming scandal wasn’t the alleged fear of accusations of racism. It was the abject failure to protect girls from sexual exploitation. The failure to see the girls aged mainly 13-15, as victims. They were labelled as making poor lifestyle choices.

Iam64

Sorry Allira, I meant my post to support yours.

Ok! Misunderstanding 🙂

Pointless discussion, a police officer in the MET. can describe
a man wearing a kippah as openly Jewish .
I am not troubled if the murderer is Muslim, devout Muslim or
not , I am troubled by the many attempts to silence any mention of the Muslim faith, it happened in Rochdale

Anniebach, I agree with Allira. The father used the Hijab to cover injuries and also to support the removal of Sara from school. He claimed she was being bullied for wearing the Hijab. Manipulative cruel individual