Bring it on Elon!

MayBee70

nanna8

Right wing ? Gransnet? Am I living in an alternative universe? More lovey leftie I think.

No. But you are living in a totally different continent so I don’t really understand why you are such an expert in UK politics.

Like other posters who comment but don't live in the UK I believe nanna8 has family who do. She is allowed to express her opinion as much as any other, and I don't think she's claimed to be an expert. Are you going to call out any of the others or is it just those in Australia that should stay quiet?

David49

Galaxy

I think it is part of the whole 'people who think differently to me' must be either thick or influenced by SM, AI, etc, it worries me. Presumably we are just as at risk from left wing trolls.

As we saw in the US election media influence can swing voters, most of us, including myself expected Harris to win, yet Trump won both houses.

Don’t expect any Left wing media to compete with right wing media, there are far more vested interests within the business community and they have all the money to pay for a media campaign.

Thankfully it didn’t affect the UK election because everyone had given up on the Tories, it’s the potential for media influence at the next election that concerns me. Musk could easily buy his way into UK politics

Thankfully it didn’t affect the UK election because everyone had given up on the Tories, it’s the potential for media influence at the next election that concerns me. Musk could easily buy his way into UK politics

I've thought about what you are saying David49.

One could almost say that Labour's victory was something of a fluke because, as you said, people had given up on the Tories. Or certainly some of the incompetents within the last crop that formed the government of the day.

And now the electorate is already fed-up with Labour. I can see what Labour hope to achieve long-term but I think they've made a fundamental mistake in not understanding the mood of the voting public who, basically (and in simplistic terms), are done with being told "jam tomorrow" - they want a bit of that jam today.

All the warnings of "difficult decisions", "it will be painful", etc, etc, have caused a general mood of despondency and 'belt-tightening', which has had a negative impact on the economy.

That's put Reform in an advantageous position - and then, voilà... Elon Musk enters from stage-left...

I think that everyone should question the motives of the world's richest man potentially donating a considerable sum of money to a political party - or in this case, company in the UK.

And it doesn't make you a "hater" or a 'woke-Marxist-leftie' if you do that.

Wyllow3

Hi Grannynannywanny

you wrote

Thank you for your informative post imaround. Can I respectfully suggest you might use it to start a thread and continue to post

But this whole thread is entitled Bring it on Elon

Not only that, but there have been many posts on relationships between the USA and the UK.

I think its entirely relevant

Sorry my finger actually slipped and posted before I’d finished ! I agree it’s entirely relevant. My concern is this thread might be heading for deletion as it’s becoming rather heated and imaround’s informative post will be lost.

Hi Grannynannywanny

you wrote

Thank you for your informative post imaround. Can I respectfully suggest you might use it to start a thread and continue to post

But this whole thread is entitled Bring it on Elon

Not only that, but there have been many posts on relationships between the USA and the UK.

I think its entirely relevant

To pick up where FGT left yesterday:

"but with a slick, targeted, professional, patriotic (nope, not a dirty word keep up at the back) Reform Party UK"

Again, I find this vague "moving to the sunny uplands" sort of language without any substance the stuff of making empty promises

because I want to know what changes/policies on a large scale are there in mind? How would a Reform Britain tax people? What would happen to the NHS and Caring? What about schools? How would our pension system work?

Would Farage be prepared to act as Musk has just done, sitting down government to suit a ruling elite

I liked it FGT when you brought up an example (ie expenditure on interpreters) as it gave us a chance to actually talk about policy.

imaround

Just wanted to drop by with a quick update on how things are going in the US with Elon.

He derailed the US spending bill today. This will shut down our federal government until at least January. Essential workers will be forced to work without pay for however long Trump and Elon want to do this. The rest will be furloughed. At Christmas.

Hopefully the Republicans in Congress disobey Trump, but Elon has already warned them that if they pass the bill, he will use his Super PAC to primary them out.

He is literally threatening elected members of Congress if they don't do his bidding. They are beholden to HIM, not the people who elected them.

This man should scare everyone.

Thank you for your informative post imaround. Can I respectfully suggest you might use it to start a thread and continue to post.

MaizieD

Jeanathome

Sure, lets add snowflake and woke while we are at it.

I beg your pardon?

What on earth do you mean by this comment?

I mean that name calling isn't helpful really. Especially "woke" which seems to be some sort of insult thrown at anybody who thinks and cares.

I am absolutely horrified at this thread. That we have come to this.Still I suppose it's entertaining to some, must release dopamine or something possibly.

Message deleted by Gransnet. Here's a link to our Talk guidelines.

imaround

Just wanted to drop by with a quick update on how things are going in the US with Elon.

He derailed the US spending bill today. This will shut down our federal government until at least January. Essential workers will be forced to work without pay for however long Trump and Elon want to do this. The rest will be furloughed. At Christmas.

Hopefully the Republicans in Congress disobey Trump, but Elon has already warned them that if they pass the bill, he will use his Super PAC to primary them out.

He is literally threatening elected members of Congress if they don't do his bidding. They are beholden to HIM, not the people who elected them.

This man should scare everyone.

I also wanted to pick up on the post because it shows at least aspects of the true face of what we might expect of Musk and Trump, and this is the man who Farage wishes to step in and "assist" the Reform Party. Its not just the money, its the style of undemocratic threats and manipulation.

Personally I don’t think the demographic of GN can be described as predominantly left or right wing, judged on the threads. What is very evident from time to time (by the increased numbers of ‘new’ posters, on very ‘gentle’ threads) is that there are lots and lots of members who read, but rarely post. So we don’t know their views.

I am centrist and am critical of some of Starmers policies and support others.
In terms of right wing and left wing media, Harris had the entire population of Hollywood behind her, fat lot of good it did her. The media as we know it is losing its influence at lightening speed, it's I think one of the reasons Harris lost, they'd missed what was happening.

David49 job opportunities are slowing down because of the Chancellor’s policies - employer ‘s national insurance now at 15 percent. More redundancies and failing companies too. How many of the 25 per cent unemployed are waiting NHS treatment? Not the right policies for economic growth I would think.

*Just wanted to drop by with a quick update on how things are going in the US with Elon.

He derailed the US spending bill today. This will shut down our federal government until at least January. Essential workers will be forced to work without pay for however long Trump and Elon want to do this. The rest will be furloughed. At Christmas.

Hopefully the Republicans in Congress disobey Trump, but Elon has already warned them that if they pass the bill, he will use his Super PAC to primary them out.

He is literally threatening elected members of Congress if they don't do his bidding. They are beholden to HIM, not the people who elected them.

This man should scare everyone*

imaround thank you so much for this. Please keep posting to inform us about the reality of Elon Musk. Only those of you who are actually experiencing his influence can truly understand how dangerous he is.

There are people here in the UK who, for some reason, appear to have Musk on a pedestal, as if he’s some sort of cheeky imp who will tell the big nasty, boring grown ups where to go … and we should all cheer him on. Look at the title of this thread!

I just don’t get it, and it does frighten me!

Of course, unlike you, they don’t know the reality, so your voice is important. Please keep us informed🙏

Jeanathome

There are also people in the middle. Kind, caring, worried people. Neither communists nor right wingers. People who shudder at some of what is being put out there.

Let me explain, I am centrist and support most of Starmers policies. Most of GN is very critical of those policies, determined to cling on to everything they have today whether they need it or not. There is 25% of the working population not working, that has got to change, the tax burden on those that are working is just too high.
He is not going to succeed in improving the economy unless he cuts down on what is given to those who don’t need it and don’t contribute to the economy.

Donald Trump does not strike me as the forgiving kind. Labour have made some disparaging remarks about him and he isn't likely to let them go. Farage has cosied up with the Trump camp so what better way to stick 2 fingers up to Starmer & Co then bankroll Reform. Quite funny, really.

Jeanathome

Sure, lets add snowflake and woke while we are at it.

I beg your pardon?

What on earth do you mean by this comment?

Sure, lets add snowflake and woke while we are at it.

Jeanathome

There are also people in the middle. Kind, caring, worried people. Neither communists nor right wingers. People who shudder at some of what is being put out there.

Please let's put one trope to bed. There are no communists posting on N & P. Anyone who says there are has absolutely no idea what 'communism' means.

There are also people in the middle. Kind, caring, worried people. Neither communists nor right wingers. People who shudder at some of what is being put out there.

David49

nanna8

Right wing ? Gransnet? Am I living in an alternative universe? More lovey leftie I think.

Nanna, the reverse, GN is heavily left wing any targeted media trolling would aim to “convert” voters.

It really isn’t David49, Gransnet isn’t heavily biased towards either right or left. There are many different views on here as there are people, and very few people are at the extremes politically - and because we are individuals, a lot of people have very strong views about some things, and not about others. I do take Galaxy’s, point, I think where we vary is in our personal level of tolerance to people saying things we disagree with

kittylester

^Sheer provocation from FGT2- how very unpleasant^.

Really, fleurpepper!

I have just read this thread and really disagree with fgt but that response is unnecessary.

Pot calling the kettle black 😂

Galaxy

I think it is part of the whole 'people who think differently to me' must be either thick or influenced by SM, AI, etc, it worries me. Presumably we are just as at risk from left wing trolls.

As we saw in the US election media influence can swing voters, most of us, including myself expected Harris to win, yet Trump won both houses.

Don’t expect any Left wing media to compete with right wing media, there are far more vested interests within the business community and they have all the money to pay for a media campaign.

Thankfully it didn’t affect the UK election because everyone had given up on the Tories, it’s the potential for media influence at the next election that concerns me. Musk could easily buy his way into UK politics

David49

nanna8

Right wing ? Gransnet? Am I living in an alternative universe? More lovey leftie I think.

Nanna, the reverse, GN is heavily left wing any targeted media trolling would aim to “convert” voters.

Yes- I agree with that.

I am not sure I agree, I think there is a reasonable balance on GN.
Also MN is quite used to managing trolls, as it has a feminist standpoint it was quite regularly targeted by the pro prostitution lot and the gender activists, those on MN managed to maintain their own opinions despite this

nanna8

Right wing ? Gransnet? Am I living in an alternative universe? More lovey leftie I think.

Nanna, the reverse, GN is heavily left wing any targeted media trolling would aim to “convert” voters.