Bring it on Elon!

OK FGT, it’s up to you if you don’t want to / aren’t able to tell me anything positive about why Reform will be good for the UK … that old chestnut!

BevSec

BlueBelle

I cannot believe any sane person could follow Farage and actually applaud him
How can anyone not see through this man he is transparently nasty, right wing, racist, anti Euro whilst married to a European ( maybe divorced now not sure) so total hypocrite he is an English Trump makes me shudder to even say his name

Sorry but Nigel is not racist.

As it’s the panto season all I can say is ‘oh yes he is…’

using the words 'bricking it' is hardly conducive to fair and pleasant debate, is it?
😂

Fleurpepper

Smileless2012

I don't think this is good news either and I don't think that someone starting a thread should be accused of sheer provocation and being very unpleasant, just because their opinions aren't shared by others.

using the words 'bricking it' is hardly conducive to fair and pleasant debate, is it?

It’s just a colloquial way of saying something 😁

BlueBelle

I cannot believe any sane person could follow Farage and actually applaud him
How can anyone not see through this man he is transparently nasty, right wing, racist, anti Euro whilst married to a European ( maybe divorced now not sure) so total hypocrite he is an English Trump makes me shudder to even say his name

Sorry but Nigel is not racist.

Grammaretto

Very interesting radio 4 programme about Elon.
He seemed to have completely flipped when his son changed sex.
Before that he was a more normal human being. He was a Hilary Clinton supporter.

No-one can change sex.

Gender, yes, but sex, no.

Iam64

Good post Grammaretto, something happened to Elon Musk when his child announced they were trans.
It’s clear suspicion about ‘traditional’ politicians is high. So called populist politicians are gaining popularity. They offer overly simplistic answers to complex problems, usually in an emotional manner. It’s on the rise, contributed to Trump winning the election, and is on the rise in Europe.
Populists believe society in separated into two polarised groups. ‘Pure’ people and a corrupt elite.
That is being played out in the UK and the arrival of Elon Musk with his endless supply of money and strange right week views is disturbing. Farage is now pushing an anti abortion agenda - that will please Trump and Farage

I don’t agree FGT that they’re the adults in the room, more like angry selfish adolescents or old grumpy cold critical/over emotional parents

Elon Musk has a child? 😯

Sheer provocation from FGT2- how very unpleasant.
Oh, the irony!! 😂😂😂

I do not agree with Reform and would never support them at all.

But really, that has made me 😂😂😂

Elon has made over $100 million dollars since Jan 6th. He is now in charge of the regulators who regulate his business. This is self enrichment at its finest.

Let's not blame this on his transgender daughter. She started transitioning well before his flip floppong started.

Good post Grammaretto, something happened to Elon Musk when his child announced they were trans.
It’s clear suspicion about ‘traditional’ politicians is high. So called populist politicians are gaining popularity. They offer overly simplistic answers to complex problems, usually in an emotional manner. It’s on the rise, contributed to Trump winning the election, and is on the rise in Europe.
Populists believe society in separated into two polarised groups. ‘Pure’ people and a corrupt elite.
That is being played out in the UK and the arrival of Elon Musk with his endless supply of money and strange right week views is disturbing. Farage is now pushing an anti abortion agenda - that will please Trump and Farage

I don’t agree FGT that they’re the adults in the room, more like angry selfish adolescents or old grumpy cold critical/over emotional parents

… I’m off for my mug of Horlicks now then my bed. 😊
Thanks everyone tonight for joining in. It’s good to debate topics in the news. I’ll join in tomorrow if this thread is still active.

MayBee70 am thinking that not even the Conservatives caused as much damage to the economy as 5 months of Reeves and Starmer. It’s looking pretty depressing to be honest. Very disappointing to be fair.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

^He seemed to have completely flipped when his son changed sex^

To be honest Grammaretto I think I would too. It affects such a minuscule percentage of people it’s still pretty ‘niche’ I bet only a very few folk on here have actual experience of this within their own family. Yet some ‘know of others’.

Maybe not within my own family, but I do personally know three families who have experienced that. All three still have close, loving relationships with their children.

Actually this is interesting. Candy (previous Labour donor, a very wealthy man) and his commitment to Reform is a huge game changer for them. Farage is copying Trump’s election strategy of building a broad church of hugely successful people and starting to ‘succession plan’ by bringing in younger key players who can carry the flag after him.

Whichever individual has huge wealth and power - well, the two do go hand-in-hand - has to be watched; not only by those who oppose him (it's usually a him), but also by those who endorse him.

It takes a fine man, full of integrity and honour, not to abuse such a position.

And history has not looked kindly on such individuals.

So yes, I think you should be careful of what you wish for.

You may get it. But you might just as easily ultimately get that which you really don't want, and which is going to blight your life. A trade-off.

American socio-economic culture is quite different to ours. You only have to compare our histories to see just how our culture differs. We've never had to deal with the 'wild frontier' for a start, which has shaped so much of their thinking - not to mention their gun-culture.

The wealthy, the powerful, are not going to relinquish either. Quite a feat really, when you think about it. They have to persuade not only their peers, but the masses who might have very little in the way of power or money, that they are the best thing since sliced-bread and will create future prosperity for the whole country.

If you think they are acting from altruistic principles rather than self-preservation for themselves and their companions, go ahead and rejoice!

He seemed to have completely flipped when his son changed sex

To be honest Grammaretto I think I would too. It affects such a minuscule percentage of people it’s still pretty ‘niche’ I bet only a very few folk on here have actual experience of this within their own family. Yet some ‘know of others’.

I cannot believe any sane person could follow Farage and actually applaud him
How can anyone not see through this man he is transparently nasty, right wing, racist, anti Euro whilst married to a European ( maybe divorced now not sure) so total hypocrite he is an English Trump makes me shudder to even say his name

ronib

MayBee70 I’d ask Wes Streeting about the NHS. He has 5 years to turn it around. If it’s still not working by 2029, then think again at that time.

And what did the Conservatives achieve in 14 years?

MayBee70 I’d ask Wes Streeting about the NHS. He has 5 years to turn it around. If it’s still not working by 2029, then think again at that time.

Very interesting radio 4 programme about Elon.
He seemed to have completely flipped when his son changed sex.
Before that he was a more normal human being. He was a Hilary Clinton supporter.

Oh LizzieDrip I’m not falling for that old chestnut again! I did explain on a number of occasions in the past. Google really is your friend now.

Re foreign money: A Chinese spy, Christine Lee who today lost her case against MI5 gave some £600,000 in total to Labour - £500,000 to Barry Gardiner M.P. alone, who employed Lee's son in his office. Starmer said that Gardiner had followed the rules so it was fine.

Sauce for the goose now?

ronib

MayBee70 I don’t feel controlled by Musk and Trump. I feel very controlled by Starmer and Reeves which is to be expected as they do run the country! Right mess with no signs of any progress or improvement - it’s a race to the bottom. Quite honestly, Trump and Musk would probably better for the UK. Can it get much worse?

You mean, privatising the NHS for starters?

FGT I ask AGAIN… what would Reform do to improve things for the UK population? PLEASE???

MayBee70 I don’t feel controlled by Musk and Trump. I feel very controlled by Starmer and Reeves which is to be expected as they do run the country! Right mess with no signs of any progress or improvement - it’s a race to the bottom. Quite honestly, Trump and Musk would probably better for the UK. Can it get much worse?

Looks like the May Elections will be off, (pretty much) Starmer knows he will be in for a trouncing so wants to cancel for two years,