Bring it on Elon!

There’s nothing offensive in your posts imaround, they’re very interesting. There’s some confusion with another thread I think.

imaround

No offense taken. I actually went back to make sure I had not been deleted!

Well, I shoul have checked not taken it at face value.

No offense taken. I actually went back to make sure I had not been deleted!

imaround

My posts haven't been deleted that I can see? I haven't posted on the estrangement threads in over a year at least?

My posts here have stayed on topic and have been respectful, so I have no idea why they would be deleted.

Are you talking about imaround's deleted posts on here DroppedOut? Your post seems to bear no relation to what I read and was commenting on.

I have looked back, imaround and in fact it is DroppedOut who has had a couple of posts deleted.

I do apologise, I was responding to what another poster said.

Is there some funny business going on?
Strange.

My posts haven't been deleted that I can see? I haven't posted on the estrangement threads in over a year at least?

My posts here have stayed on topic and have been respectful, so I have no idea why they would be deleted.

PoliticsNerd

Are you talking about imaround's deleted posts on here DroppedOut? Your post seems to bear no relation to what I read and was commenting on.

Wrong thread perhaps?

Perhaps imaround asked herself for her posts to be deleted.

Sometimes, especially at a weekend, the wrong message might appear. Quite understandable.

Galaxy

Voting correctly dear God. I dont even know where to start.

😁

preoccupied with her feelings* to see things rationally.

I wish this forum allowed us to edit posts.

I want to add that my comment about the bitter ex/understanding parent tied into a (likely) explanation for her estrangement in the first place, as she displayed no understanding for her son's emotions since she seemed to be preoccupied with her to see things rationally. I thought the comparison would be obvious and "wake" her up, but I underestimated how hard it must be to take criticism (for some),

PoliticsNerd

Are you talking about imaround's deleted posts on here DroppedOut? Your post seems to bear no relation to what I read and was commenting on.

Wrong thread perhaps?

You asked about the transgression; it happened on the Estrangement sub-forum.

Are you talking about imaround's deleted posts on here DroppedOut? Your post seems to bear no relation to what I read and was commenting on.

Wrong thread perhaps?

Galaxy

Voting correctly dear God. I dont even know where to start.

We/everyone has polar opposite views, with each side adamant theirs is the truth. Since our views are mutually exclusive, one side HAS to be correct, logically speaking.

Only time will definitively tell which side was wrong.

Voting correctly dear God. I dont even know where to start.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

^People are influenced by propaganda, whether they realise it or not. Some people challenge what they hear or are told, but some don't^

And some people are just sick and tired of what they see in front of their eyes as they walk around their towns and cities. And yes see on all tv channels (so no bias). Many of us truly want Change. Some hoped Starmer would supply it. Some didn’t vote for him because they had a gut feeling he wouldn’t be able to supply it.

Many of our institutions are swollen yet broken. The old boy network stymies Change.

Many who voted Reform (me for one) want real Change. A new broom to sweep clean if you will. Brush out all the deadwood instead of throwing more money at it. “Drain the Swamp” as Trump called it. Any why not?

Our services aren’t working, the NHS is, according to Wes Streeting (of whom I had higher hopes) who said it’s actually broken, the Civil Service seems full of “Yes Ministers”, Starmer is knocking on the EU door just because HE (who wanted that 2nd referendum) thinks it’s a good idea (clue: it’s not, they have better negotiators and will take him to the cleaners for sure) and we are about to go into recession thanks to Reeves policies. Water, rail and energy are expensive and in a mess. Councils spend money unwisely then cry “we’re bankrupt” and raise their demands.

Prisons are full.
Irregular migrants are in our hotels at our expense.
The Police can’t cope (thanks Theresa May the worst Home Secretary we have ever had for hollowing that service out in the good name of austerity).
The judiciary has a huge backlog waiting for Court sittings (yet what’s the point there’s no prison spaces m’Lud).
Knife crime 🔼
Stabbings 🔼
Shoplifting by organised gangs in town centres 🔼🔼
Potholes aren’t filled
There are enough Cass report has been ignored (shamefully) by some institutions
There are enough dentists (unless you happen to have arrived on our shores in a rubber boat).
We just don’t feel we are being listened to any more!

Blimey. And that’s just SOME of the mess citizens of the UK can SEE for themselves.

Vote Reform if you want Real Change. It’s the only way now it’s gonna happen. Patriotic feelings are not unlawful. We ought not to be shy of saying we want better for our country.

You've given an articulate and graphic account of so much that is 'wrong' socially, politically and economically with our country - and we've all watched the deterioration of our public services over the years.

However - I have a question for you FGT, and I know that, unlike some who make bold statements and then 'disappear' from the radar - you actually engage with those who respond to you. So... with that in mind...

All that you have so vividly outlined in your post has come about over the last 14 years or so under the tutelage of the previous government. We can argue - rightly - that they inherited the fall-out from some of the previous government's policies - the Blair years - like, for example, the fall-out from the Iraq war. Nevertheless, the stagnation of our society still happened under Tory rule. From Cameron to Sunak. The Tories are, broadly, free-market, small-state libertarians

So here's my question - predominantly, free-market libertarianism is the ideology espoused by Reform, the free-market economy.

How does that tie with our public services which will require huge injections of public spending if they are to not only survive, but be prevented from collapsing all together? Reform have briefly insinuated they will be 'fixed'- but how?

Tory and Reform ideology spring from the same Hayekian principles, basically, so how will Reform, in effect be any different from the last crop of Tories? Isn't Reform really the new, De Luxe model of Toryism?

Allira

your ?? you ??
Who are you referring to when you say your and you exactly?

Correctly - in whose opinion?

I guess I had "MaizieD" in mind when writing that as I've only read the most recent posts on this thread, but it's meant to apply to anyone who wrote (lengthy) posts about topics more abstract than the usual fear-mongering that right-wing talking heads like to constantly espouse.

your ?? you ??
Who are you referring to when you say your and you exactly?

Correctly - in whose opinion?

Galaxy

Yes those poor people who cant think. Probably shouldnt have the vote.

Even though it WOULD be a quick and easy solution. What I was saying was we should be more mindful. In the way we think, and the news sources we consume.

I believe if the masses (i.e. the public) were more informed (whether through better education or government initiatives to curb the rampant mis/disinformation) than we wouldn't need to take away your vote, since you would end up voting correctly (for lack of a better term).

I meant it in a historical sense. It's a tale as old as the bible. But more recently, less than 100 years ago, hitler used fear to get things done.

Calling our immigrants "vermin", "animals", "criminals", and saying "their eating the dogs and the cats" is eerily familiar.

History comes in cycles I guess.

MayBee70

Galaxy

Yes those poor people who cant think. Probably shouldnt have the vote.

So you think that those people who believe that Musk will be the saviour of this country have really thought it through?

It's probably a remark in response to the condescending tone referring to the masses.

Galaxy

Yes those poor people who cant think. Probably shouldnt have the vote.

So you think that those people who believe that Musk will be the saviour of this country have really thought it through?

Yes those poor people who cant think. Probably shouldnt have the vote.

Fear has been a long-standing tool for controlling the masses, and for good reason. Without enough mindfulness, our fear response outweighs rational thought.

I think for us to unite, we would need to find a way, somehow, to shift their fears (from immigrants & poors) towards the rich.

Watch a elon/trump rally, than re-read your compelling, yet lengthy posts.

I think the concepts you bring up are too abstract for elon supporters to ever get behind.

I don't know how to phrase it any nicer. This is just the brass tacks.

PoliticsNerd

What a shame; I thought those posts were helpful. I do wonder what the transgression was.

The most recent trite was responding to an estranged (grand)mother who said, "What hurt me most is realising my son is a cruel coward. As he hadn't got the guts to tell me to my face I no longer wanted. "

I stated that that sentiment sounds like it's more likely to come from a bitter ex rather than a caring parent.

Not to derail this politics thread.

Elon makes tens of billions of dollars off of US government in contracts and subsidies with Space X.

The reason he tried stopping our spending bill is because it would have limited his ability to expand to China, where they pay people pennies on the dollar.

He, and Bezos, have sued the National Labor Relations Board stating they are unconstitutional. Once this case goes through, which it will because of our Trump stacked Supreme Court, it will dismantle labor protections for union workers.

A Trump judge just overturned a Biden overtime ruling, resulting in fewer people being eligible for overtime.

Mars is the perfect place for him.