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(97 Posts)
Jeanathome Wed 18-Dec-24 17:30:42

Awful, awful tragedy. I'm not sure what satisfaction there is to be gained by seeing the perpetrator.

Perhaps there is more going on than we know in the background? ie fear of civil unrest.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 18-Dec-24 16:56:29

growstuff I would ask why should he be allowed to call the shots and not appear in court?

GrannyGravy13 Wed 18-Dec-24 16:55:18

MaizieD I find everything about this case horrifying.

In my opinion he should have pleaded guilty.

I do hope they throw away the key to his cell once found guilty and sentenced, no privileges, no niceties, zilch, zero, nada

He took innocent girls futures away, I do not believe in the death penalty however, I do not want his future to have any promise or happiness.

growstuff Wed 18-Dec-24 16:54:12

mae13

He's making a bid to play the mental health card. He should have been forcibly brought to court, in a strait jacket if need be.

Autism isn't a mental health condition.

Why should the authorities use resources (time and people) to force somebody to attend court for a hearing which was only ever going to last a few minutes?

growstuff Wed 18-Dec-24 16:52:18

Autism isn't considered to be a mental health condition.

MaizieD Wed 18-Dec-24 16:40:02

GrannyGravy13

Wyllow3

nanaK54

If he refused to answer and enter a plea, perhaps that should have been 'guilty' entered for him?

It's the law. (yes I did have to look it up.) Silence means proceed to trial as guilt has to be proved.

Well it looks like someone is advising this vile individual how to play (milk) the U.K. legal system 🤬

What is your problem with this?

Is it his refusal to enter a plea, which is a perfectly common occurrence?

Is it the appearance by video link?

Or it it that you think he should be sent straight to life imprisonment without a trial?

mae13 Wed 18-Dec-24 16:38:53

He's making a bid to play the mental health card. He should have been forcibly brought to court, in a strait jacket if need be.

Moonwatcher1904 Wed 18-Dec-24 16:24:17

It really angers me when people like him commit these crimes then play the autism, neurodivergence etc. card.
It's an insult to anyone who really has a mental health condition. I have close family who have or had a mh condition but never thought to commit any crime.

MayBee70 Wed 18-Dec-24 16:22:44

I’m not saying that it’s a valid excuse for his crimes, just that it explains his behaviour.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 18-Dec-24 16:17:59

MayBee70

Didn’t it say at the time that he was autistic which would account for his behaviour rocking etc?

Autism or neurodivergence is a broad church, every individual presents differently, just like neurotypical people.

I sincerely hope that his team do not try to explain his crimes or link them in anyway to his autism.

Doing so would be a travesty towards a swathe of society who find life hard enough as it is…

MayBee70 Wed 18-Dec-24 16:11:35

Didn’t it say at the time that he was autistic which would account for his behaviour rocking etc?

GrannyGravy13 Wed 18-Dec-24 16:08:18

Wyllow3

nanaK54

If he refused to answer and enter a plea, perhaps that should have been 'guilty' entered for him?

It's the law. (yes I did have to look it up.) Silence means proceed to trial as guilt has to be proved.

Well it looks like someone is advising this vile individual how to play (milk) the U.K. legal system 🤬

Wyllow3 Wed 18-Dec-24 15:57:10

nanaK54

If he refused to answer and enter a plea, perhaps that should have been 'guilty' entered for him?

It's the law. (yes I did have to look it up.) Silence means proceed to trial as guilt has to be proved.

love0c Wed 18-Dec-24 15:52:20

One sick individual. Should never ever see the light of day again. Forgive? Never ever!

nanaK54 Wed 18-Dec-24 15:49:55

If he refused to answer and enter a plea, perhaps that should have been 'guilty' entered for him?

Wyllow3 Wed 18-Dec-24 15:36:09

Isn't this just the preliminary hearing to establish whether you plead guilty or not guilty, not guilty means going onto a full trial and a date set in the future? The procedure lasts a short time and evidence and prosecution is when there is a full trial?

pascal30 Wed 18-Dec-24 15:32:00

why is he allowed to do a video link and not attend court?

Wyllow3 Wed 18-Dec-24 15:31:02

Indeed. I think Broadmoor?

Sago Wed 18-Dec-24 15:29:39

It will be their first Christmas without their beloved children.

I t makes me want to weep.

Sago Wed 18-Dec-24 15:27:23

Dear God, those poor families.

Moonwatcher1904 Wed 18-Dec-24 15:27:05

Lock him up and throw away the key....

GrannyGravy13 Wed 18-Dec-24 15:17:22

Unbelievable…