Southport Murders, latest

Think what you are asking of the prison officers, Sunshinegirls.
Its de facto the death penalty inflicted by the men and women of the prison service.
You cannot ask this of them, if you live in a decent society.

I'd lock him in his cell and throw away the key and let him rot if I had my way.

Broadmoor is the best place for him. His extremely, extremely disturbed personality is a danger in our overcrowded prisons, where, and this is a key point, they haven't the capacity to treat and contain in a prison population someone so mentally ill.

Treatment for Mental Health problems in prisons is pretty appalling for those who are suicidal and troubled, ie staff, ability to see, diagnose, and treat keep in best conditions for those who can actually get better:
they cannot possibly deal with someone like this as well, who could easily first cause havoc and is almost certainly to be a target

It is not an easy option.

I agree that his transfer to Broadmoor would be better as the staff have more experience with this sort of offender. I don't think it's the cushier option for him. We used to live near Broadmoor and it's very secure.

I, too, think that this person is better placed in an establishment such as Broadmoor.

I think this is where he should be, for the reasons that Whitewavemark2 states.

This is speculation

Is it possible that he is such a danger to the staff and other prisoners that he needs to be held in a high security hospital, where dealing with very dangerous prisoners is what they are there for, and ensures that he cannot harm staff etc.

It’s another of those “it appears to be” stories, that is based on speculation not fact. The lawyer said: We are urgently seeking a meeting with the appropriate authorities to understand the situation before commenting further.

In any event, the law requires RA be transferred back to prison when he no longer requires treatment in hospital. His sentence is not being converted into a "hospital order” which would mean he stayed at Broadmoor.

The media and everyone else needs to be careful about stirring up speculation because we know that happened before when people speculated about the murders.

Why is he allowed to wield so much power. His crime was so wicked. Now it's as if he's allowed to oganise a more favourable scenario for himself Shocking! is no one in charge?

According to the lawyer acting for the families of the 3 little girls murdered in Southport, their killer has engineered a move from prison to Broadmoor. He says that alone would be hurtful enough but this lowlife has timed it to coincide with the 2 year anniversaries of the girls' deaths. Why can't the authorities see through that and leave him where he is? Even from behind bars he still gets away with turning the knife.

Allira

MaizieD

nanna8

Well we were told that he had pleaded ‘not guilty’. Obviously all our news outlets are in error. I wasn’t ‘fantasising’ How rude of you. Totally expected,though.

Read the screenshot on the opening post. The accused said nothing at all. It was the judge who entered the not guilty plea.

So the accused had not pleaded anything.

This is the way misinformation spreads.

It's a fine line and easy to misinterpret.

The defendant has said nothing. A guilty plea cannot be entered on his behalf, obviously.

There was really no need to be rude.

Always the way, I’m used to it now but thanks, Allira

Iam64

Namsnanny

Jan 20th, D Trumps inauguration.
It's been mooted that this is a tactic to 'drown out' the information from the court case, against the wall to wall (I presume) coverage from USA.

Seriously? Our Court's are barely functioning. Get a slot and take it

I know, it seems too calculating to be a consideration, doesn't it?

Namsnanny

Jan 20th, D Trumps inauguration.
It's been mooted that this is a tactic to 'drown out' the information from the court case, against the wall to wall (I presume) coverage from USA.

Seriously? Our Court's are barely functioning. Get a slot and take it

It could possibly be, but who knows?
It’s certainly an interesting coincidence.

Jan 20th, D Trumps inauguration.
It's been mooted that this is a tactic to 'drown out' the information from the court case, against the wall to wall (I presume) coverage from USA.

The procedure is known as mute of malice where a defendant refuses to speak.
His trial is due to start on Jan. 20 and last for four weeks. Judge Julian Goose confirmed with Rudakubana's lawyer Stan Reiz that "there will be no positive case advanced" on Rudakubana's behalf.

Reuters

There are many people who have autism, ADHD etc but they don't go around and kill young children.
Don't send him to Broadmoor or other places that hold the mentally ill.
Send him to a normal prison I'm sure the men from Merseyside will look after him.

Good post Namsnanny
GrannyGravy13, you were correct to post in news and politics. Gransnet seems to be mirroring politics here and in the USA in becoming increasingly polarised and where being rather unnecessarily rude is seen as ok.

GrannyGravy13

Allira

lemsip

isn't this before the courts currently?

Yes, so probably this thread should be deleted as being possibly prejudicial.

My OP showed information from the first page of BBC News website yesterday afternoon.

I thought it was an apt thread for N & P

Unfortunately it is becoming increasingly difficult to have a conversation on GN on anything political…

Too many wish to show case their 'knowledge' by telling others they are wrong.

Judging by his treatment by the authorities so far, I'm quite sure that the welsh Christian will get the best of British justice.

The accused made no plea. nanna8 who I was responding to, was fantasising.

You really are unnecessarily and abominably rude MaizieD. The news and politics forum would be a far better place, and probably frequented and contributed to by more posters, if you could it tone down a bit. It's particularly distasteful in a topic surrounding such an horrific crime where little children died. Please.

srn63, the price for all defendants to be offered a fair trial is the cost we pay for living in this country.
There are citizens in countries all over the world who can only dream of this.
If I, or someone I loved, was accused of a crime, I would want a fair trial, so I must want it for everyone, however heinous the crime and however prolonged and expensive that transpired to be.
There is no alternative in a civilised society.

nanna8

Lynch mob killings were usually committed against innocent people , particularly black people by white people. There is no comparison with this case. There were lots of witnesses and something evil occurred. Anyone who defends a person committing an act like that is pretty sick and needs to take a good hard look at themself.

I’ve seen no posts defending the accused on here.
Or are you suggesting anyone /lawyer who defends this man needs to take a look at themselves?

Sky, CNN, Channel 4, the Independent, ITVX online or YouTube all have headlines stating that the defendant pleaded not guilty.

So accusing a poster of fantasising is not called for. Perhaps take these outlets to task and get them to correct their headlines?

Other news outlets have used the correct terminology.

As I understand it, in the absence of a plea from the accused, the judge has no choice but to enter a not-guilty plea on his behalf in order for a fair trial to take place. Surely the alternative would be no trial and a guilty verdict being reached without any requirement to scrutinise the evidence? It’s a safeguard which operates in the accused’s favour, and ensures a fair trial.

MaizieD

nanna8

Well we were told that he had pleaded ‘not guilty’. Obviously all our news outlets are in error. I wasn’t ‘fantasising’ How rude of you. Totally expected,though.

Read the screenshot on the opening post. The accused said nothing at all. It was the judge who entered the not guilty plea.

So the accused had not pleaded anything.

This is the way misinformation spreads.

It's a fine line and easy to misinterpret.

The defendant has said nothing. A guilty plea cannot be entered on his behalf, obviously.

There was really no need to be rude.