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Denmark boosts Greenland's defence after Trump repeats desire for US control

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Wyllow3 Sun 29-Dec-24 18:38:50

Drill baby drill

"Greenland is rich in natural resources, including minerals, oil and gas reserves, renewable energy potential, fisheries and aquaculture, forestry, and agriculture. Mineral resources in Greenland include rare earth elements, uranium, iron ore, and gemstones, making it an attractive destination for mining companies."

Whitewavemark2 Sun 29-Dec-24 18:15:53

Mind you the inhabitants of Diego Garcia, have a very Unpleasant tale to tell.

Lathyrus3 Sun 29-Dec-24 18:09:20

But if every citizen of Greenland was in favour of becoming American that would be democracy.

And if NATO stepped in to prevent it - what would that be?

PoliticsNerd Sun 29-Dec-24 18:02:03

Lathyrus3

I was talking to a friend about this.

Who does a country (any country) actually belong to?

Its government? Its citizens. The people who actually live there? Landholders?

There are only 56,000 inhabitants of Greenland. My friend suggested the USA could offer them all $1,000,000 each to become American.

Do you think the UK would allow the South Coast to sell itself off to America leaving us without it strategic advantage to us? Greenland is of strategic advantage to Denmark as well as the other NATO countries. Why would they let that happen?

Trump does not want to govern a democracy, he want to own as much of the world as he can. The issue with that is that he will not make the lives of those in the areas he owns any better. He will own them too. That's what happens if you destroy democracy. They will become the equivalent of slaves or serfs.

Did you know that, psychologically it is easier to kill people when troops are not in there own country. I don't think that bodes well for the old, the young or women in general. Umm, now where have people behaved like that before?

Whitewavemark2 Sun 29-Dec-24 17:53:21

I reckon if Trump is serious (and who knows?) he probably reckons that he can do a good deal.

I assume that Greenlands citizens will be given a say.

I can imagine what Canadian citizens are saying!!

Whitewavemark2 Sun 29-Dec-24 17:50:04

Oh and of course The Virgin Islands, they got renamed I think - can’t remember what their name was before the sale from Denmark I think?

PoliticsNerd Sun 29-Dec-24 17:41:25

Just one addition Petra. What I did or didn't say about China is irrelevant. It's not going to affect this situation as I have no power - nor do you.

PoliticsNerd Sun 29-Dec-24 17:38:37

petra

Why do you use the word invasion. He wants to buy it.
Don’t forget the US already have a base there.
Did you protest when China was sniffing around the island?

It’s important to note that the U.S. has a longstanding relationship with Greenland, particularly through military bases and strategic interests in the Arctic region.

Trump first expressed a controversial interest in buying Greenland in 2019 when he characterized the interest as a "strategic" move citing Greenland's resources and its location as important to the United States.

During WW2 Churchill famously referred to the need to "wage war, by sea, land, and air" and to fight "on the beaches, on the landing grounds, in the fields, in the streets, and in the hills." Mainly because the language of Hitler was treated as a threat even though it might turn out not to be, the Germans only captured the Channel Islands. It could have been far worse. In many cases the German army just walked into unprepared countries.

History teaches us a great deal. There have always been tensions between those who don't want to believe they are under threat and those who think you should take even the most insane comments from those with power as real and prepare accordingly. If I was Denmark, I would rather be planning for invasion (they have taken the first steps) than wishing nothing would happen and finding Greenland had been annexed.

The only person who could change this is Trump - by watching his language. I'm not sure waiting 'till hell freezes over is a useful pastime.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 29-Dec-24 17:32:03

What about Canada and Panama.

Of course there is precedence - didn’t the USA buy Alaska from Russia?

Lathyrus3 Sun 29-Dec-24 17:29:52

I was talking to a friend about this.

Who does a country (any country) actually belong to?

Its government? Its citizens. The people who actually live there? Landholders?

There are only 56,000 inhabitants of Greenland. My friend suggested the USA could offer them all $1,000,000 each to become American.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 29-Dec-24 17:28:52

Utterly absurd of course.

But we have to include the Panama Canal and Canada😮 in this list.

Allira Sun 29-Dec-24 17:22:22

So a threat to Greenland is a threat to all NATO countries including the UK.
And the USA too. confused

petra Sun 29-Dec-24 16:22:30

Why do you use the word invasion. He wants to buy it.
Don’t forget the US already have a base there.
Did you protest when China was sniffing around the island?

PoliticsNerd Sun 29-Dec-24 16:08:47

Greenland is part of the Kingdom of Denmark. Denmark increased its military defences to level never seen before to protect against the threatened invasion by Trump and the USA.

We should perhaps remember Denmark's history. It was invaded in 1940 by Hitler when he declared Jutland a part of Germany. At the end of the 1940s, in direct response to the invasion and to seeing the British Navy wrest control of the North Sea from Germany, Denmark joined NATO. So a threat to Greenland is a threat to all NATO countries including the UK.

Trump is playing with fire and yet there are those who still underrate his mania and actually seem to want us to become part if his, so far, thankfully, imaginary empire.