LA Wildfires

ronib

Wyllow3 well the Democrats were firmly in control of California so not sure how Trump will respond. He might be more of a pragmatist than the Democrats? I imagine Trump will want measures put in place to prevent further fires.

Democrats have ruined LA & Sanfrancisco. My friend went in July, she said SFC is full of homeless & shops have gone to the wall.

I don't have a television, so have to rely on what is posted on line. I read that the inferno was started by an arsonist. Is this true or false? My daughter & her family lived in the Pacific Palisades but, fortunately, they moved to New York last month. Their LA house is no more. Toast. She was sent a photograph by a former neighbour. Terrifying.

suelld

Louella12

This is an issue that Trump has been calling out for years. 2018 and 2020 he was calling for better maintenance of the land. So I guess he's just reminding folk. Should have held off for a while though.

The fires are just horrendous. I do hope they're all contained and rebuilding can start as soon as possible.

*The Governor of California, @GavinNewsom, has done a terrible job of forest management. I told him from the first day we met that he must ‘clean’ his forest floors regardless of what his bosses, the environmentalists, DEMAND of him. Must also do burns and cut fire stoppers," the former and upcoming president posted to X in 2019. *

Do some FactChecking of your own instead of just believing what that LIAR Trump writes… if his mouth is open it’s usually a LIE that comes out!

www.gov.ca.gov/2025/01/08/california-forest-management-hotter-drier-climate/

www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-checking-trump-claims-los-angeles-california-wildfires/

SueIId
The links you put up are hardly unbiased.
The first one is the governor’s own website.
The second one from CBS. A left leaning news outlet that is very much against trump.
And as per I have to give a disclaimer that I don’t support Trump. You won’t get the truth from either of these links.

Nom undines did. And Trump. He mocked all 'lefty' measures to attempt to save water. And in this video, after the last fires, and at the enquiry, he denied climate change and science, and said no need to worry, it will get cooler. Video here

x.com/Ronxyz00/status/1876960975372337383

Claremont

No-one is denying that a range of factors are the cause- but denying climate change, extreme heat, lack of rain which has depleted reservoirs and water tables- is nonsensical.

I didn't.

Louella12

This is an issue that Trump has been calling out for years. 2018 and 2020 he was calling for better maintenance of the land. So I guess he's just reminding folk. Should have held off for a while though.

The fires are just horrendous. I do hope they're all contained and rebuilding can start as soon as possible.

*The Governor of California, @GavinNewsom, has done a terrible job of forest management. I told him from the first day we met that he must ‘clean’ his forest floors regardless of what his bosses, the environmentalists, DEMAND of him. Must also do burns and cut fire stoppers," the former and upcoming president posted to X in 2019. *

Do some FactChecking of your own instead of just believing what that LIAR Trump writes… if his mouth is open it’s usually a LIE that comes out!

www.gov.ca.gov/2025/01/08/california-forest-management-hotter-drier-climate/

www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-checking-trump-claims-los-angeles-california-wildfires/

We have friends who kept several horses and also stabled others in the Malibu Area. After the last fire in the region, they realised that they probably would not have been able to save the horses had the fire not been contained. They sold up and moved to a much safer area.

No-one is denying that a range of factors are the cause- but denying climate change, extreme heat, lack of rain which has depleted reservoirs and water tables- is nonsensical.

I don't know enough about these Los Aneles fires to know how they started.

Forest management involves clearing the forest floors of dry highly combustible material and removing fallen trees. Common sense as in done in Finland for example . Arson is also a factor as it was in Australia, in fact people were jailed for it and quite rightly so.

However, what Mcbab says about clearing forest floors of combustible materials is true. It is also true that many fires in Australia were started by humans, either deliberately or not and the ban on clearing forest floors as contributed to the rapid spread when fires do start.

Please wake up indeed- do you know the state of the reservoirs in California and the reason why there are such shortages?

The theory that arsonists started all the fires is ludicrous. If you'd just read the fact check on what Trump has said on the hydrants you'd find the facts not the myths.
www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-checking-trump-claims-los-angeles-california-wildfires/

He'll lie or obfuscate about anything that suits.

Just one example along with the hydrants and reservoirs:

"Trump claims there is "no money in FEMA"

Trump also lobbed criticisms at President Biden in a social media post, claiming the current administration is leaving him "no money in FEMA."

FEMA's Disaster Relief Fund was rapidly dwindling last October after Hurricane Helene and a series of major disasters, but Mr. Biden signed a bill in December that added $29 billion to the fund

On Wednesday, the agency told CNN they had approximately $27 billion left in the Disaster Relief Fund. CBS News has reached out to confirm the current balance.

In a statement, the White House said FEMA has approved Fire Management Assistance Grants to reimburse California for firefighting costs.

Please wake up. This has nothing to do with climate change and will just be used by the climate lobby to foster vested interests. In the past the earth has been much hotter than this and the air more full of carbon - which is good for greenery. Whatever we are doing to the planet - and goodness knows it's plenty - human generated climate change did not cause these fires. Arsonists caused them. And the fire hydrants were empty. Now why do you think that might have been?

Lilyflower

The fires are dire, yes, but nothing to do with 'climate change'.

Such comments are quite staggering.

McBab- did you watch the video I posted with Trump totally mocking any attempt at saving water in regions where rain and water have been almost totally lacking recently?

Just above on this thread we have had competing information - the fires started in the forests, the fires started in urban areas...California "should" have done this or that -

Trumps statements were not new on what could have been done, it's common fire prevention knowledge, but I suspect its the scale of the costs that held California back, just as it is all over the states on for example areas subject to heavy/disaster flooding...

Here is a CBS fact check on Trump claims

www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-checking-trump-claims-los-angeles-california-wildfires/

Lilyflower

The fires are dire, yes, but nothing to do with 'climate change'.

Thats strongly disputed.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70qj7kyppjo#:~:text=This%20is%20when%20relatively%20small,they%20become%20difficult%20to%20control.&text=In%20California%2C%20the%20risk%20of,change%2C%20according%20to%20some%20models.

The fires are horrific and the aftermath will be traumatic for all involved. But I have to say it is incredible that anything Donald Trump says is almost universally treated with contempt. He has been talking about forest management and water supplies for years. The fires started in forests and due to the very high Santa ana winds traveled to urban areas where they completely went out of control. Forest management involves clearing the forest floors of dry highly combustible material and removing fallen trees. Common sense as in done in Finland for example . Arson is also a factor as it was in Australia, in fact people were jailed for it and quite rightly so. Just because Trump says something it does not make it incorrect. Maybe if they had listened it only to him but to others who were saying the same. Lessons will be learnt etc. meanwhile people are dead and homeless and have lost everything

one of the reasons as to why the planet's temperature is increasing is the amount of cremations. some local authorities use the heat to warm up swimming pools etc but most don't. so the excess heat is pumped into the atmosphere. I'm not saying that using land for burials which could be used or housing is the answer either. then people want chimineas or fire pits in their gardens . Log burners are also popular as there is the belief it reduces fuel costs.
We live in a strange world when many countries don't have enough clean water but in the UK use drinking water to flush toilets. There are some public toilets in Brighton which "suck" waste and I know of some others where the volume of water is significantly reduced.

The fires are dire, yes, but nothing to do with 'climate change'.

Obviously there are rich and not so rich people living in these burning areas, who have/will lose everything. As in any catastrohic event many people come forward with offers of help - so I find it horrendous that various hotels and similar establishments have increased the cost of their accommodation!! Surely in these devastating circumstances they should be offering FREE places of safety!!

Joe Biden sent in thousands of Military, planes and Fire Fighters to assist in controlling the fires started by Arsonists, from what I have read on The Guardian and also the English El Pais Newspaper.

We have a Chocolatier dear friend of many years in Santa Monica and he has been helping those who are in tragic despair over losses of homes and also university students affected and driving them to safe zones and places to shelter.

It is totally devasting and truly a grand loss for the state of California.

loopyloo

Yes. This is in the richest country in the world in an affluent area.
How on earth was it allowed to get to get to this state?
Even I knew they were short of water in California now.
Feel so sorry about this.

Americans seem to have a completely different attitude to weather and to housing than we do.

THe states that are affected by inudation from the sea do nothing to prevent that, in the cyclone belt houses are not built to resist high winds, and the states that have snow in winter still have telephone lines above ground.

In consideration of all this, how can you be surprised that nothing much has apparently been done to prevent wildfires spreading?

And quite honestly, once fires of this magnitude start, they are extremely hard to stop, whether you have enough water or not, especially in gale force winds.

This is a long read but it explains an awful lot. Controlled burning.

cepr.net/publications/us-forest-service-decision-to-halt-prescribed-burns-in-california-is-history-repeating/

Don't believe what people who have been making political capital out of the situation say. The main problem are the 90-100mph winds, the reason. so many buildings have been destroyed and people have died.. Because of the wind the fires are travelling so fast they become impossible to outrun. Hoses become useless and planes carrying water are exposed to great danger. What is interesting is how they started, because they started in the city. The people making political capital out of the situation are disgusting. Even somebody from Fox TV said lesbians were the cause of the fire.

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Simpatico again Claremont! 😁