LA Wildfires

The state has an insurer of 'last resort' but their current reserve is $20 million - they are going to be bankrupt and of course it is the poorer people who will suffer.

Louella12

This is an issue that Trump has been calling out for years. 2018 and 2020 he was calling for better maintenance of the land. So I guess he's just reminding folk. Should have held off for a while though.

The fires are just horrendous. I do hope they're all contained and rebuilding can start as soon as possible.

*The Governor of California, @GavinNewsom, has done a terrible job of forest management. I told him from the first day we met that he must ‘clean’ his forest floors regardless of what his bosses, the environmentalists, DEMAND of him. Must also do burns and cut fire stoppers," the former and upcoming president posted to X in 2019. *

Let’s not re-write history. Trump was criticsing political opponents. This issue of a dry California long pre-dates his recent presidential campaigns and he wasn’t close to being a driver of any solution. It’s this kind of revisionist history that is dangerous. I would know, I lived there for years. Reading recent headlines to make Trump look better won’t cut it in the face of the truth.

He wasn’t advocating for the environment. He and greedy Republicans have been against any type of water conservation for years. They are very historically anti-climate change, anti-environment and he the Bushes have consistently filled their administrations with anti-enviornment, anti-regulation business people. Why post typical political jargon when his track record, the real proof says otherwise? Trump being an advocate of solving the drought is fake news, folks.

It's not fake news. You're falling into Trump speak yourself.

All I said was he's on record pointing out that California was not maintaining the land and was at risk of fires. Was he being altruistic? I doubt it. But that isn't the point. Whatever reason he may have had, there are clips of him saying that California would be at risk of burning. Which has happened.

I'm aware of his climate change stance but that's not the point.

mae13

It appears Harry'n'Meghan went to Pasadena to offer consolation to those who lost everything in the fires. Good thing they remembered to take their photographer with them.

They live in southern California. If you think anyone needs to bring their own photogs to snap celebrities during times like these, you fundamentally do not understand the landscape. The cameras are everywhere, snapping every celebrity they can. TMZ photogs literally camp out in front of their homes watching them, following them running errands. I don’t understand why any celebrity who wanted privacy would live there. People even sell maps that note where celebrities live to tourists. Camera phones in the hands of every day people capture inane things like celebs walking their dogs. But sure, ignore the reality to take a dig.

Louella12

It's not fake news. You're falling into Trump speak yourself.

All I said was he's on record pointing out that California was not maintaining the land and was at risk of fires. Was he being altruistic? I doubt it. But that isn't the point. Whatever reason he may have had, there are clips of him saying that California would be at risk of burning. Which has happened.

I'm aware of his climate change stance but that's not the point.

You know who else was calling out the drought? Everyone in the state and around the country. Long before, after, and during the loud mouth’s late to the party 2018 political jabs.

You know whose administration offered little to no federal intervention beyond the arm pulling of California’s reps? Trump’s

Calling out a political opponent and doing nothing while your political party had the numbers in the house and the Senate doesn’t make him an advocate of anything but his own political agenda. Talk is cheap. He wasn’t main voice. He wasn’t a leading advocate. He took no real actions.

My point was providing context for your misleading headline regurgitation. If we are going to “be fair” let’s tell the whole truth. Otherwise, it’s fake news

Also the water basin has been very low for many years because of their love of swimming pools, golf courses and watering their gardens.. If there is a big rebuild, and who would want to do that in such a risky area, there will have to be a big move towards water conservation.. and presumably de-salination plants..

ronib

Mt61 good sales pitch for home filtration products but no mention of any need for reservoirs. Interesting.

??? Not sure what you mean ronib!

Pl

Plenty on here slating Trump! But not the incompetence of Newsom, or Bass!

Mt61

Plenty on here slating Trump! But not the incompetence of Newsom, or Bass!

Indeed!

Looks like the residents have turned though. I think there will be a few resignations.

pascal30

Also the water basin has been very low for many years because of their love of swimming pools, golf courses and watering their gardens.. If there is a big rebuild, and who would want to do that in such a risky area, there will have to be a big move towards water conservation.. and presumably de-salination plants..

They were questioning the other day whether in fact it would be a good idea to rebuild in such a risky area, prone to fires and earthquakes.

Humankind has always lived in danger zones, such as on the fertile slopes of volcanoes, in areas prone to earthquakes, fires, so perhaps they will rebuild but there is going to have to be a national effort to do so.
It will be difficult to find insurers willing to take the risk in future too.

One of the properties that has survived is built of concrete and stone with a fireproof roof, also was built with supports many metres into the bedrock to give it safety in an earthquake. All the other properties around it (and they are pretty close) have been decimated.

BlessedArt

Louella12

This is an issue that Trump has been calling out for years. 2018 and 2020 he was calling for better maintenance of the land. So I guess he's just reminding folk. Should have held off for a while though.

The fires are just horrendous. I do hope they're all contained and rebuilding can start as soon as possible.

*The Governor of California, @GavinNewsom, has done a terrible job of forest management. I told him from the first day we met that he must ‘clean’ his forest floors regardless of what his bosses, the environmentalists, DEMAND of him. Must also do burns and cut fire stoppers," the former and upcoming president posted to X in 2019. *

Let’s not re-write history. Trump was criticsing political opponents. This issue of a dry California long pre-dates his recent presidential campaigns and he wasn’t close to being a driver of any solution. It’s this kind of revisionist history that is dangerous. I would know, I lived there for years. Reading recent headlines to make Trump look better won’t cut it in the face of the truth.

He wasn’t advocating for the environment. He and greedy Republicans have been against any type of water conservation for years. They are very historically anti-climate change, anti-environment and he the Bushes have consistently filled their administrations with anti-enviornment, anti-regulation business people. Why post typical political jargon when his track record, the real proof says otherwise? Trump being an advocate of solving the drought is fake news, folks.

Exactly, he shamefully junps on the bandwagon.

I've previously posted a link of Trump mocking anc criticising everyone who has been advocating for a reduction of water use. Just disgusting

youtu.be/tza1-n57nzs?feature=shared

Tragically, the poor in California have not had clean water to drink for a long time, and can't afford bottled water. And tragically, and the plain truth- those in Malibu and Palisades areas, the very rich- are the ones who have overused water with little respect for the shortages, for swimming pools, lush gardens, golf courses, etc.

From the Telegraph:

“Los Angeles neighbours described how they chased down a suspected arsonist and restrained him with cable ties in a dramatic citizens’ arrest while the city burned and homes were devoured by the worst fires in living memory.

Peter Kay, 40, said he “would have done anything necessary” to prevent more fires spreading across Woodland Hills in Los Angeles and destroying their homes.

He added that he was the first to spot the stranger in the leafy neighbourhood holding a blowtorch rummaging near his bins on Thursday afternoon.

Mr Kay described how he sped after the suspect in his white Mercedes until he found him attempting to start a fire near another property and shouted to neighbours to help. They poured out of their homes and the group all pitched in to push the man to the floor and restrain him with plastic zip ties while they called 911 and waited for police.

With the cause of the original fires still unknown, Los Angeles neighbourhoods have become gripped with anxiety amid fears the infernos are being started by arsonists.

Five minutes later, eight police cars pulled up, including arson detectives, who took the suspect away to interview him.

Dominic Choi, LAPD divisional chief, said the suspect would not face arson charges because there was “not enough probable cause”. The man was arrested on a felony probation violation.”

FriedGreenTomatoes2

From the Telegraph:

“Los Angeles neighbours described how they chased down a suspected arsonist and restrained him with cable ties in a dramatic citizens’ arrest while the city burned and homes were devoured by the worst fires in living memory.

Peter Kay, 40, said he “would have done anything necessary” to prevent more fires spreading across Woodland Hills in Los Angeles and destroying their homes.

He added that he was the first to spot the stranger in the leafy neighbourhood holding a blowtorch rummaging near his bins on Thursday afternoon.

Mr Kay described how he sped after the suspect in his white Mercedes until he found him attempting to start a fire near another property and shouted to neighbours to help. They poured out of their homes and the group all pitched in to push the man to the floor and restrain him with plastic zip ties while they called 911 and waited for police.

With the cause of the original fires still unknown, Los Angeles neighbourhoods have become gripped with anxiety amid fears the infernos are being started by arsonists.

Five minutes later, eight police cars pulled up, including arson detectives, who took the suspect away to interview him.

Dominic Choi, LAPD divisional chief, said the suspect would not face arson charges because there was “not enough probable cause”. The man was arrested on a felony probation violation.”

Sounds more likely than a back yard fire!

A lot of rough sleepers in the woods.
And arsonists.
Tinder dry.
Then add in the wind factor.
Cutting back fire defences.
Lack of water.

A perfect storm, sadly.

I think they'll find a lot more bodies FGT and I wonder about the owners of all those burnt out cars. .How did they escape?

Major drought/climate change too.

www.cbsnews.com/news/southern-california-maps-dry-drought-la-wildfires-fire-risk/

Add in electrical faults from cable lines.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

A lot of rough sleepers in the woods.
And arsonists.
Tinder dry.
Then add in the wind factor.
Cutting back fire defences.
Lack of water.

A perfect storm, sadly.

100%. Going to be even more homeless sadly 😔

pascal30

I think they'll find a lot more bodies FGT and I wonder about the owners of all those burnt out cars. .How did they escape?

2nd car probably

It reminds me a bit of Pompeii. I think there will be more bodies.
I read today of a family that had been forced to travel over 200 miles to find a motel with vacancies, because so many people had been displaced. Imagine that.

Unimaginable.

And I think of the people of Gaza and other wars.

Claremont

BlessedArt

Louella12

This is an issue that Trump has been calling out for years. 2018 and 2020 he was calling for better maintenance of the land. So I guess he's just reminding folk. Should have held off for a while though.

The fires are just horrendous. I do hope they're all contained and rebuilding can start as soon as possible.

*The Governor of California, @GavinNewsom, has done a terrible job of forest management. I told him from the first day we met that he must ‘clean’ his forest floors regardless of what his bosses, the environmentalists, DEMAND of him. Must also do burns and cut fire stoppers," the former and upcoming president posted to X in 2019. *

Let’s not re-write history. Trump was criticsing political opponents. This issue of a dry California long pre-dates his recent presidential campaigns and he wasn’t close to being a driver of any solution. It’s this kind of revisionist history that is dangerous. I would know, I lived there for years. Reading recent headlines to make Trump look better won’t cut it in the face of the truth.

He wasn’t advocating for the environment. He and greedy Republicans have been against any type of water conservation for years. They are very historically anti-climate change, anti-environment and he the Bushes have consistently filled their administrations with anti-enviornment, anti-regulation business people. Why post typical political jargon when his track record, the real proof says otherwise? Trump being an advocate of solving the drought is fake news, folks.

Exactly, he shamefully junps on the bandwagon.

I've previously posted a link of Trump mocking anc criticising everyone who has been advocating for a reduction of water use. Just disgusting

youtu.be/tza1-n57nzs?feature=shared

Tragically, the poor in California have not had clean water to drink for a long time, and can't afford bottled water. And tragically, and the plain truth- those in Malibu and Palisades areas, the very rich- are the ones who have overused water with little respect for the shortages, for swimming pools, lush gardens, golf courses, etc.

Hello BlessedArt. Thank you for your contributions.

Casdon

It reminds me a bit of Pompeii. I think there will be more bodies.
I read today of a family that had been forced to travel over 200 miles to find a motel with vacancies, because so many people had been displaced. Imagine that.

Yet millions of people live in Naples and surrounds, despite the fact that Vesuvius is still active.