78yr old woman is in prison through no fault of hers

I can't quite believe the strength of feeling and anger on this, so far 4 page, thread, against this one person who happens to be a 77 yr old woman.

What's the matter with you all?
Why so much unkindness?

You'd probably be braying for the worst punishment for the Suffragettes, if you had happened to be around 100 years ago.

M0nica

Caleo

Wyllow, it's surely easy to understand why "why posters think it OK she should stay on in prison when she has a right to have concluded her sentence as others have."

The demographic that attracts people to Gransnet is predominantly in line with the right wing establishment.

A statistical association between two variables merely implies that knowing the value of one variable provides information about the value of the other. It does not necessarily imply that one causes the other. Hence the mantra: “association is not causation.

How anyone who has been quite a long term and reasonable member of GN could expect to make such a remark and get away with such nonsense is really surprising.

I would say the political middle point of those on GN, based on waht is posted, was slightly left of centre with the full range of political opions from Reform to far left present.

No need to call it nonsense.. it is another point of view..

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-67215367

Caleo

Damask, generally I'd agree with you on both your points.
However, prisons are too harsh to cope with elderly disabilities.No elderly person with the disabilities of age should go to prisons such as prisons actually are. Prison reform is urgently needed.

Also, the woman was imprisoned solely because the stop oil campaign is anti-establishment. This case was terrorism on the part of the establishment.

What disability does she have? Her crime was to climb onto an overhead motorway gantry on the M25 causing traffic (and ambulances) to come to a stop and to force police climbing teams to risk their lives to get her down.

A bit late to play the "little old lady" card.

Caleo

Wyllow, it's surely easy to understand why "why posters think it OK she should stay on in prison when she has a right to have concluded her sentence as others have."

The demographic that attracts people to Gransnet is predominantly in line with the right wing establishment.

A statistical association between two variables merely implies that knowing the value of one variable provides information about the value of the other. It does not necessarily imply that one causes the other. Hence the mantra: “association is not causation.

How anyone who has been quite a long term and reasonable member of GN could expect to make such a remark and get away with such nonsense is really surprising.

I would say the political middle point of those on GN, based on waht is posted, was slightly left of centre with the full range of political opions from Reform to far left present.

pascal30

Do none of you think about your grandchildren and climate change.. this woman is being supported by the Quakers because they think what she did was morally correct..

Yes, we do, which is why I and others support every practical move to reduce the use of fossil fuels and encourage the development of alternatives.

But what has what this lady did got to do with dealing with climate change. Everybody knows about it so what she did was pointless and irrelevant and probably led to an increased consumption of the fuels she claims she wants to cut. More virute signalling than practical action.

Caleo

The protest and moral support for this elderly prisoner is being led by Quakers .

Does this fact alone not tell you to support her!

You are punitive should be ashamed of yourselves.

She is a Quaker. Why would Quaker support for her influence anyone one way or another. Forcing your opinion on others and telling them to be ashamed if they don't agree with you speaks volumes about your peverse self righteousness.

She broke the law. Despite claiming she was being treated for various medical conditions, she was apparently fit enough to stage a protest and disrupt people trying to get to work and hospitals.

I have grandchildren and I also am concerned about climate change but climbing a gantry (I thought she had a DVT!!?) isn't going to make a blind bit of difference, not when Trump is going to "drill baby, drill" and China and India continue to pollute the atmosphere. Does anybody in Just Oil stop and ask themselves what those of us in rural areas will do if they have their pointless way?? We have no gas, it's never going to happen where I and many other people live so yes, we have an oil tank that fuels our boiler!! Perhaps Just Stop Oil and the Quakers would like to cough up the money for us all to have electric boilers or ground source heat pumps ?? When people can't get an ambulance, go to a funeral, get to work then yes, imprison the lot of them and find a company to make tiny tags to fit.

theworriedwell

Allira

Wyllow3

theworriedwell

Wyllow3

She has deep vein thrombosis.

Would a tag be a problem? A tag would have to be tight enough to stop it being pulled over the foot but it wouldn't be tight enough to restrict blood flow.

I don't know, just giving information.

You're supposed to wear pressure stockings if you have DVT.

A tag should be fitted correctly so that it is neither loose nor too tight.

So I suppose the issue is she couldn't get the stockings on. Tough then really, she can't comply so she can't serve her sentence at home.

So I suppose the issue is she couldn't get the stockings on

With great difficulty!

Allira

Wyllow3

theworriedwell

Wyllow3

She has deep vein thrombosis.

Would a tag be a problem? A tag would have to be tight enough to stop it being pulled over the foot but it wouldn't be tight enough to restrict blood flow.

I don't know, just giving information.

You're supposed to wear pressure stockings if you have DVT.

A tag should be fitted correctly so that it is neither loose nor too tight.

So I suppose the issue is she couldn't get the stockings on. Tough then really, she can't comply so she can't serve her sentence at home.

Sorry to come across as hard but I feel no sympathy.

Wyllow3

theworriedwell

Wyllow3

She has deep vein thrombosis.

Would a tag be a problem? A tag would have to be tight enough to stop it being pulled over the foot but it wouldn't be tight enough to restrict blood flow.

I don't know, just giving information.

You're supposed to wear pressure stockings if you have DVT.

A tag should be fitted correctly so that it is neither loose nor too tight.

Well said worriedwell and NonGrannyMoll

I do understand the motives behind her actions and it is something we are all rightly concerned about.

However, disrupting other people's lives, throwing paint over priceless relics etc really is counter-productive.

The consequences of these actions are that the people responsible draw attention to themselves rather than to their cause.

Apologies is this sounds flippant but the circumference of my ankle is the same as the circumference of my upper arm just above the elbow. That would seem a more practical place to tag someone than the wrist. I am finding it hard to believe there wasn't a size of tag that could have been fitted.

theworriedwell

Wyllow3

She has deep vein thrombosis.

Would a tag be a problem? A tag would have to be tight enough to stop it being pulled over the foot but it wouldn't be tight enough to restrict blood flow.

I don't know, just giving information.

NonGrannyMoll

I'm a woman the same age as her. I (mostly) know what is legal and what isn't. Even if I did commit a crime (highly unlikely though that would be), I'd have to face the consequences just like any other criminal. I've been a feminist since I was old enough to think for myself and I'm sick of people getting outraged when a woman does something wrong and imply that she shouldn't have to take responsibility for her own actions. Women have fought for many decades for the right to be considered equal to men and to be treated in the same ways as them. I don't see a valid argument for making exceptions because (a) she's female and (b) she's old(ish). Just don't see it.

Hear hear.

Wyllow3

She has deep vein thrombosis.

Would a tag be a problem? A tag would have to be tight enough to stop it being pulled over the foot but it wouldn't be tight enough to restrict blood flow.

I'm a woman the same age as her. I (mostly) know what is legal and what isn't. Even if I did commit a crime (highly unlikely though that would be), I'd have to face the consequences just like any other criminal. I've been a feminist since I was old enough to think for myself and I'm sick of people getting outraged when a woman does something wrong and imply that she shouldn't have to take responsibility for her own actions. Women have fought for many decades for the right to be considered equal to men and to be treated in the same ways as them. I don't see a valid argument for making exceptions because (a) she's female and (b) she's old(ish). Just don't see it.

I'm not sure who I feel more sorry for, the man who missed his father's funeral or the man who missed the birth of his baby, both caused by her protest. Of course there is also the 79 year old mother at the funeral probably hoping for the support of her son and the other mother who maybe would have liked the father of her baby to be present at the birth to support her.

Actually the woman who was responsible for that doesn't rate very highly in my sympathy list.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I’m sure she’ll be receiving medication for it.

She will probably get better treatment from the prison doctor than hanging on the phone trying to get through for a GP appointment.
"You are Number Fifteen in the queue"
"The GP can see you in six weeks' time"

I’m sure she’ll be receiving medication for it.

pascal30

Yes you are correct Allira she was in Peterborough and is now in Eastwood Park (equally grim)

At least thst is nearer home.
Perhaps they are making her a tiny tag as we post.

She has deep vein thrombosis.

Well if the prison is grim she can start a campaign about that when she gets out.

I wonder what is wrong with her legs that means she can't wear a tag but can climb a gantry?