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78yr old woman is in prison through no fault of hers

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NittWitt Sat 11-Jan-25 11:23:35

Supporters of a 78yr old Bristol woman, recalled to prison because a Government contractor said they couldn’t find an electronic tag small enough for her wrist, are going to hold a silent, candlelit vigil [on Friday 10 Jan] outside the prison where she is being held.

www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/birthday-vigil-bristol-grandmother-prison-9841026?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0WyCXJHFWVQGOvSlGx7UYQxEDLrOrVP2uyY0l72yAvj0U9R9pT7NGftvo_aem_1sgkFpi9zyrN8Xz_0ODdcA

Allira Fri 17-Jan-25 16:17:00

Being let out on licence after serving such a short part of a sentence is a privilege, not a right.

I'm quite sure Serco will find a tag which fits this woman's wrist when she is next allowed to serve the rest of her sentence on parole or else her DVT will have been dealt with, hopefully, by the medical care she will receive in prison or by the NHS.

eazybee Fri 17-Jan-25 13:47:52

peaceful climate protesters.
No. Disruptive and dangerous.

leaving the prisoner to be treated less well than they should be.
No.The prisoner is being fairly, as she deserves within the terms of her conviction.

Barleyfields Fri 17-Jan-25 11:49:34

This woman was to be released exceptionally early, NittWitt. Do I detect sympathy for her?

MissAdventure Fri 17-Jan-25 11:49:09

It's a chance you take when you act outside of the law, though, isn't it?

No, it's not ideal, but I would at least consider all those possibilities before going ahead.

If she has the courage of her convictions, (pardon my pun!) a spell longer in prison will mean nothing, compared to what she is doing because she cares so passionately about future generations.

NittWitt Fri 17-Jan-25 11:42:31

Which is not exactly a fair system, allowing serco to get paid in full while not doing their job & leaving the prisoner to be treated less well than they should be.

MissAdventure Fri 17-Jan-25 11:19:20

It's not, but it is clearly laid out in the terms that if a tag cannot be provided, then the person will need to go back to serve the rest of their sentence.

NittWitt Fri 17-Jan-25 11:16:00

The 'time' dictated for Ms Delap included a spell of being out on licence , tagged.

It is not her fault that serco failed in its job of providing a tag.

MissAdventure Fri 17-Jan-25 11:05:07

Do the crime, do the time.

NittWitt Fri 17-Jan-25 11:02:27

"Serco is a private company which has been found guilty of defrauding the government and fined for failure to deliver the tagging service properly.

Melanie Jameson, clerk of Quakers in Criminal Justice, added: “With prisons overflowing, this is no place for peaceful climate protesters.

“In Gaie's case, we are appalled that SERCO's failings have led to her recall. Friends in Quakers in Criminal Justice are upholding Gaie on her birthday.""

www.quaker.org.uk/news-and-events/news/candle-lit-vigil-for-imprisoned-quaker-climate-activist

Caleo Thu 16-Jan-25 12:07:22

Barleyfields, I do understand the problem of rural transport . The beautiful village I lived in during the 60s-70s had ample bus service . Nowadays that village, like many others of its sort, has changed for the worse as it has become a very expensive residence for quite wealthy people who all have cars, and so no use for the former bus service.

It's profitless to wish for the good old days when a village was a proper sociable village. Private car ownership in such luxury ex-villages is a practical necessity as you describe.

Urban car ownership and road transport generally in urban areas is a much bigger problem .

Rosie51 Wed 15-Jan-25 21:35:06

Norah

eazybee

Caleo is making the choice out of economic necessity, like the rest of us I would imagine.

Agreed.

We all make heating choices based on our finances.

Indeed, don't we all make many choices based on individual finances? One poster lecturing other posters on their choices, then declaring they themselves have no choice, when in fact there's always a choice, is disingenuous at best.

Norah Wed 15-Jan-25 21:30:41

eazybee

Caleo is making the choice out of economic necessity, like the rest of us I would imagine.

Agreed.

We all make heating choices based on our finances.

Norah Wed 15-Jan-25 21:27:56

Allira

^not forgetting hydro power^ oh yes, of course.

And don't get DH started on wave power! We are surrounded by sea.

Wood fireplaces with chimneys.

M0nica Wed 15-Jan-25 16:28:57

Rosie51

M0nica Rosie51 Electricity costs 4 times as much per unit as gas. This is why people do not use electricity to heat their homes.
Oh how strange I was sure my parents in their all electric ie only electric house used electricity to heat it. I must have been imagining it. Caleo criticises others for choices they make about car shares etc but then claims having to use gas for heating. I say she's making a choice for her own benefit, which makes her no different to anybody else.

Oh stop being picky. The majority of households in this country are not heated by electricity.

We have heard a lot recently of the effect of the loss of the WFA has had on many pensioners. Overall 13% of households live in official fuel poverty, a transfer from gas to electricity to heat their hoemes would see their fuel bills quadruple. Plus of course the cost of the replacing their heating equipment.

Since one third of our power generation comes from gas generated power and that produces electricity at 60% efficiency. I am not sure, as things are whether it would actually reduce the nations gas consumption.

Barleyfields Wed 15-Jan-25 16:19:50

Nor oil I suppose as the boiler wouldn’t work?

Allira Wed 15-Jan-25 16:15:12

Gas central heating won't work in an electricity power cut.

Barleyfields Wed 15-Jan-25 16:11:01

We are all-electric. No gas here so the only other option is oil. That’s unlikely to change for a very long time.

Allira Wed 15-Jan-25 16:08:20

Indeed - like the rest of us

eazybee Wed 15-Jan-25 16:00:51

Caleo is making the choice out of economic necessity, like the rest of us I would imagine.

Rosie51 Wed 15-Jan-25 15:32:52

M0nica Rosie51 Electricity costs 4 times as much per unit as gas. This is why people do not use electricity to heat their homes.
Oh how strange I was sure my parents in their all electric ie only electric house used electricity to heat it. I must have been imagining it. Caleo criticises others for choices they make about car shares etc but then claims having to use gas for heating. I say she's making a choice for her own benefit, which makes her no different to anybody else.

Allira Wed 15-Jan-25 15:32:45

Hydro power is a bit of a non-starter in the UK
There are several hydro power stations in the UK, producing a small percentage of the UK's electricity but helping at peak times particularly in winter.

I do know about the Severn barrage too, and the millions spent on feasibility studies and the reasons why this might not be a practical solution.

M0nica Wed 15-Jan-25 15:13:59

Rosie51 Electricity costs 4 times as much per unit as gas. This is why people do not use electricity to heat their homes.

We had to use electricity to heat our kitchen and family room for a whole winter while building work was taking place. The rest of the house was still able to be heated with the gas central heating. It increased our fuel bills by £several hubdred. We were very relieved when it could be reconnected to the main heating system.

If you want to know where our power is made and what from I reccommend Gridwatch gridwatch.co.uk/.

Currently wind power is providing only 17% of our electricity, as in most places, in cold snaps like this, there is very ittle wind. 57% is being produced by gas. Any electricity inported from France will almost undoubtedly be nuclear.

Allira Tide power comes in two different forms, The first is from the movement of the sea and research has been going into this for 30-40 years. The big problems are that the sea can be anything from glassy smooth with a slight swell to 5-10 metre high waves (and more) with huge swells and designing equipment capable of dealing with such a huge range of conditions and, importantly the cable connection to shore is very, very difficult. Also sea water is highly corrosive and making all the equipment sufficiently corrosion resistant is proving a challenge.

The other way the sea can be used is by working with the tide. For a tidal power station you need an area with a high rise and fall of he tide, ideally a minimum of 5 metres, France has a tidal power station in Brittany, near St Malo. I have visited it.
General de Gaulle opened it in 1964, and it is still operational. The turbines have been replaced several times.

There were plans some years to build such a tidal barrage and power station in the Severn estuary, but it was voted out. There was another plan to build a whole series of barrages down the South Wales coast - the Bristol channel is the only place in England with big enough tides - Unfortunately the then government refused to finance it. Together the barrages could have supplied 30% of our electricity.

Hydro power is a bit of a non-starter in the UK . For large hydro power stations you need high mountains and big rivers - and we have neither.

There are a couple of stations in Wales, but their output is small. The biggest, and best known, Dinorwic actually uses low power demand periods to pump water up to its reservoir above the power station, and in times of high demand relaeses the water to generate power. so is not a true hydro power resource.

Allira Tue 14-Jan-25 22:47:06

not forgetting hydro power oh yes, of course.

And don't get DH started on wave power! We are surrounded by sea.

Rosie51 Tue 14-Jan-25 22:42:55

netflixfan

Rosie 51 what do you think they make electricity with? Not all of it is wind power. Who knows what the imported electricity is made from?

Oh I don't know, any of the methods listed by Allira not forgetting hydro power. I wonder how they make the electricity to charge the batteries of those oh so clean, soon to be compulsory, electric cars.........

Allira Tue 14-Jan-25 18:08:09

netflixfan

Rosie 51 what do you think they make electricity with? Not all of it is wind power. Who knows what the imported electricity is made from?

Nuclear power.
Wind power
Solar power
Anaerobic digestion

Some comes from fossil fuels but some companies are totally eco-friendly such as Ecotricity, Bulb and Octopus.