Peace in the Middle East

Oreo

Tho the Viking ‘blood rage’ does fit with what hamas did on 7th October 2023.That’s the only thing they have in common.

Nonsense! Don't fall for the stereotypes.

Anniebach

A new thread about the Vikings please

No, thanks. I live with the Vikings every day of my life (another story). I come here for some respite.

Oreo

Tho the Viking ‘blood rage’ does fit with what hamas did on 7th October 2023.That’s the only thing they have in common.

Yes, that incident is similar.

I don't think that's what growstuff meant, somehow, but I could be wrong.

Tho the Viking ‘blood rage’ does fit with what hamas did on 7th October 2023.That’s the only thing they have in common.

Anniebach

A new thread about the Vikings please

eg "What the Vikings Did For Us"

There is no comparison with events that have happened over thousands of years in the Middle East.

There will always be those who think it's vital to keep hate and centuries of bitter injustice alive for ever.
Just listen to the words of the Scotland's rugby anthem Flower of Scotland which commemorates the battle of Flodden in 1513.

What we learn from history is that we don't learn from history.

What we should be doing is supporting the peacemakers in all their difficult negotiations and to try to accept that there will always be an imperfect solution. After all we are humans.

Anniebach

A new thread about the Vikings please

The Britains didn’t have the UN to feed them it was a choice of submit or you starve Gaza hasn’t had that, yet!.

A new thread about the Vikings please

growstuff

There are many news outlet which have translated the chants.

Allira

growstuff

Casdon

mum2three

This is only a ceasefire...a break in hostilities. Until the Palestinians have a country to call their own, and the rest of the Middle East accepts that Israel is here to stay, there will never be peace.

Old wounds never heal. Resentments about the loss of lands and kingdoms never dies, witness the UK to see the truth in that. Those resentments will forever persist in the Middle East and periodic wars will continue to rage.

In that case, the world is fated to continue as it is. Fortunately, history shows us that it's not entirely true, if there's a smidgeon of goodwill on both sides. You say "witness the UK", but compare the situation in Northern Ireland with 30 years ago. Delve back through time and there are plenty of cases where people eventually settled their differences. 500 years ago Catholics and Protestants were sworn enemies. Even the Vikings integrated within a few generations.

You are comparing the Vikings invading Britain with what has been happening in the Middle East for thousands of years?

There is no comparison.

Are you sure? How much do you know about the Vikings?

growstuff

Casdon

mum2three

This is only a ceasefire...a break in hostilities. Until the Palestinians have a country to call their own, and the rest of the Middle East accepts that Israel is here to stay, there will never be peace.

Old wounds never heal. Resentments about the loss of lands and kingdoms never dies, witness the UK to see the truth in that. Those resentments will forever persist in the Middle East and periodic wars will continue to rage.

In that case, the world is fated to continue as it is. Fortunately, history shows us that it's not entirely true, if there's a smidgeon of goodwill on both sides. You say "witness the UK", but compare the situation in Northern Ireland with 30 years ago. Delve back through time and there are plenty of cases where people eventually settled their differences. 500 years ago Catholics and Protestants were sworn enemies. Even the Vikings integrated within a few generations.

You are comparing the Vikings invading Britain with what has been happening in the Middle East for thousands of years?

There is no comparison.

Casdon

growstuff

Anniebach

True Casdon , resentment ? or anger of harm inflicted ,

If you choose to live in the past, you're doomed.

It’s just the reality though growstuff. I’m sure those affected don’t see it as living in the past, it’s their hope for a peaceful non repressed, independent future. Most people aren’t zealots.

Fortunately, some people do have more vision and are more forward-thinking.

growstuff

Anniebach

True Casdon , resentment ? or anger of harm inflicted ,

If you choose to live in the past, you're doomed.

It’s just the reality though growstuff. I’m sure those affected don’t see it as living in the past, it’s their hope for a peaceful non repressed, independent future. Most people aren’t zealots.

If you dismiss the past you are doomed

Anniebach

True Casdon , resentment ? or anger of harm inflicted ,

If you choose to live in the past, you're doomed.

Casdon

mum2three

This is only a ceasefire...a break in hostilities. Until the Palestinians have a country to call their own, and the rest of the Middle East accepts that Israel is here to stay, there will never be peace.

Old wounds never heal. Resentments about the loss of lands and kingdoms never dies, witness the UK to see the truth in that. Those resentments will forever persist in the Middle East and periodic wars will continue to rage.

In that case, the world is fated to continue as it is. Fortunately, history shows us that it's not entirely true, if there's a smidgeon of goodwill on both sides. You say "witness the UK", but compare the situation in Northern Ireland with 30 years ago. Delve back through time and there are plenty of cases where people eventually settled their differences. 500 years ago Catholics and Protestants were sworn enemies. Even the Vikings integrated within a few generations.

True Casdon , resentment ? or anger of harm inflicted ,

mum2three

This is only a ceasefire...a break in hostilities. Until the Palestinians have a country to call their own, and the rest of the Middle East accepts that Israel is here to stay, there will never be peace.

Old wounds never heal. Resentments about the loss of lands and kingdoms never dies, witness the UK to see the truth in that. Those resentments will forever persist in the Middle East and periodic wars will continue to rage.

mum2three

This is only a ceasefire...a break in hostilities. Until the Palestinians have a country to call their own, and the rest of the Middle East accepts that Israel is here to stay, there will never be peace.

Much of the Middle East (eg Egypt, Jordan, Saudi) does accept that Israel is here to stay.

Grammaretto

It's tragic. Don't people eventually tire of war?
I was amazed and delighted when the warring in NI ceased.
The next generation on both sides will hopefully want a different world order.
Blessed are the peacemakers.

My feeling is that we can do nothing about the past and throwing recriminations around (on both sides) achieves nothing. All we can affect is the future.

GrannyGravy13

If you turn the sound up on the videos from Gaza yesterday you can hear their chants, they do not want peace, they want the destruction of all Jews.

Were they chanting in English or can you understand Arabic? I must admit I listened but couldn't understand a word. Have you listened to what some of the Israeli politicians, such as Ben-Gvir, have been saying?

It's tragic. Don't people eventually tire of war?
I was amazed and delighted when the warring in NI ceased.
The next generation on both sides will hopefully want a different world order.
Blessed are the peacemakers.

If you turn the sound up on the videos from Gaza yesterday you can hear their chants, they do not want peace, they want the destruction of all Jews.

This is only a ceasefire...a break in hostilities. Until the Palestinians have a country to call their own, and the rest of the Middle East accepts that Israel is here to stay, there will never be peace.

One look at released Hamas prisoners has put me off them me for life. The flags, the fists in the air; the palpable hated. Can't bear the almost medieval mindset you always see in Palastine.