Peace in the Middle East

I’m inclined to agree. They don’t need interference from countries that are not even close geographically. European countries have a bad history of meddling and controlling the affairs of non European countries. Time to butt out.

We can’t sort this country out never mind Middle East. Leave them to it. They do what they want anyway. We have meddled too much in the past.

David49

Claremont

Says who? It is the traditional homeland for Palestinians.

As said above, the Bible is not historical fact or reality, at all.

Some of the Palestinians were certainly Jews 2000 yrs ago, they certainly werent Muslims that religion was founded centuries later.

Many of the people in what is now known as Palestine were Jews 2000 years ago. They gradually became Christian before being conquered by Muslim Arabs. The majority of people in the Middle East (including Jews) followed polytheistic religions. Modern Palestinians show genetic continuity with the Levantines who lived in the region over 3500 years ago. Jews and Palestinians are genetically related, whatever their religion.

Claremont As said above, the Bible is not historical fact or reality, at all.
Do you say the same about the Koran, or do you only say that about the Bible? I do appreciate it's far easier to rubbish the Bible without dire consequences.

As Allira says much of what is written in the Bible is supported by historical research and archaeology which I appreciate does not necessarily endorse either the Jewish or Christian faiths, (the operative word being 'faith') but does render your statement false.

We should also have a commemoration day for the 47000+ murdered in Gaza

Pilgrimage for Jews to Jerusalem

Pilgrimage for Christians Jerusalem , Bethlehem

Rather a lot of people reading fiction !

Claremont

Says who? It is the traditional homeland for Palestinians.

As said above, the Bible is not historical fact or reality, at all.

As said above, the Bible is not historical fact or reality, at all.

You make it sound like a work of fiction!

The Bible may not be totally accurate but much of what is written in the Bible is supported by historical research and archaeology.

Yea, I watch it every year, there is still denial and will probably
increase each year and dismissed as history

GrannyGravy13

BBC1 is now showing a programme about the Holocaust and Auschwitz.

Happens every year it’s Holocaust Memorial time.

BBC1 is now showing a programme about the Holocaust and Auschwitz.

The reality is that the whole Middle East has been conquered and reconquered for millennia, there have never been national borders. The current ruler is Israel, they intend to stay there, they are capable of leveling Gaza again and again and take no notice of others. It does not look good for the civilians there.

petra

Luckygirl3

It is what it is and harking back in time doesn’t help anyone just causes more division. - but learning from mistakes has value. The west divi-ed up India and drew lines in the middle east and it is always disastrous. At the very least a bit of "harking back" to learn from that might be reasonable.

The French and the uk divided up the Middle East in 1916.
Look where that ended. Hang on, it didn’t end, did it 😥

Didn’t they create borders where no orders existed thus making it impossible for nomads to live a nomadic lifestyle?What right did we have to do that?

Claremont

Says who? It is the traditional homeland for Palestinians.

As said above, the Bible is not historical fact or reality, at all.

Some of the Palestinians were certainly Jews 2000 yrs ago, they certainly werent Muslims that religion was founded centuries later.

Luckygirl3

*It is what it is and harking back in time doesn’t help anyone just causes more division.* - but learning from mistakes has value. The west divi-ed up India and drew lines in the middle east and it is always disastrous. At the very least a bit of "harking back" to learn from that might be reasonable.

The French and the uk divided up the Middle East in 1916.
Look where that ended. Hang on, it didn’t end, did it 😥

The Jews have always been willing to share with other religions but the Arabs have repeatedly attacked them, Israel has always been their homeland, they weren’t gifted it by anyone, Britain tried and failed to administer it fairly and keep the peace, we were driven out.

Says who? It is the traditional homeland for Palestinians.

As said above, the Bible is not historical fact or reality, at all.

Israel is the traditional homeland for Jews

MayBee70

Allira

MayBee70

maddyone

Where should the Jews live?

There was a plan to create a homeland for them in, I believe, Kenya, at one time. If it had come to fruition the whole course of history might have changed.I don’t think that plan would have resulted in other people being removed from their homeland.

So not in their traditional homeland then?

🤔

But they wouldn’t have been displacing other people. How would any of us feel if we were told we all had to move to eg Wales because our country was needed for some other people that had lived here hundreds of years ago? Look at all the problems caused by sending so many Scottish people to Ireland. Dividing India up into India and Pakistan. Splitting Cyprus into two countries.

Indeed, if the West wanted to give Jews a land- for all the very good aka terrible events of the 30s and 40s- then they should have given part of the 'West' not someone else's land.

We could have given them Wales Annie, no? Or Ireland?

History has repeated itself- a people lost so much, in the most hoorendous, cruel and despicable way - no-one is disputing that. But taking part of another people's land, who were not in any way responsible for what happened- was not the way to make amends. And then, more and more land was taken, ending in the most horrendous genocide we have just witnessed. Exactly as you say - history repating itself again. Many Jews acknowledge this, and are totally opposed to this. Some actual survivors of the holocaust.

MayBee70

Allira

MayBee70

maddyone

Where should the Jews live?

There was a plan to create a homeland for them in, I believe, Kenya, at one time. If it had come to fruition the whole course of history might have changed.I don’t think that plan would have resulted in other people being removed from their homeland.

So not in their traditional homeland then?

🤔

But they wouldn’t have been displacing other people. How would any of us feel if we were told we all had to move to eg Wales because our country was needed for some other people that had lived here hundreds of years ago? Look at all the problems caused by sending so many Scottish people to Ireland. Dividing India up into India and Pakistan. Splitting Cyprus into two countries.

How would any of us feel if we were told we all had to move to eg Wales because our country was needed for some other people that had lived here hundreds of years ago?

Do you mean the same as what happened to Britons who were driven west to Wales and Cornwall?

Dear God, history repeating itself

Luckygirl3

*It is what it is and harking back in time doesn’t help anyone just causes more division.* - but learning from mistakes has value. The west divi-ed up India and drew lines in the middle east and it is always disastrous. At the very least a bit of "harking back" to learn from that might be reasonable.

Yes, meddling doesn't work.

However, Israel was the traditional homeland of the Jewish people.

Allira

MayBee70

maddyone

Where should the Jews live?

There was a plan to create a homeland for them in, I believe, Kenya, at one time. If it had come to fruition the whole course of history might have changed.I don’t think that plan would have resulted in other people being removed from their homeland.

So not in their traditional homeland then?

🤔

But they wouldn’t have been displacing other people. How would any of us feel if we were told we all had to move to eg Wales because our country was needed for some other people that had lived here hundreds of years ago? Look at all the problems caused by sending so many Scottish people to Ireland. Dividing India up into India and Pakistan. Splitting Cyprus into two countries.

It is what it is and harking back in time doesn’t help anyone just causes more division. - but learning from mistakes has value. The west divi-ed up India and drew lines in the middle east and it is always disastrous. At the very least a bit of "harking back" to learn from that might be reasonable.

The idea is quite shocking.

Pogroms again ,