Was it in public interest to cover up the terror links to the Southport stabbings?

And German newspapers reporting a little child and a man stabbed to death by another evil monster on the rampage in a park.

And now, yesterday in Birmingham, a 12 year old boy stabbed to death on his way home from school by a 14 year old who also attacked an 80 year old woman.

I'm sick of all this.

So not 18 when he bought the knife.

I think you can buy up to a 3" blade under 18.

NotSpaghetti

I assume he wasn't 18 Oreo - I think he's 18 now though.

Could be wrong.

He was 17 at the time he murdered the three little girls.

He was 18 a few weeks later.

I assume he wasn't 18 Oreo - I think he's 18 now though.

Could be wrong.

Iam64

Surely it’s possible to organise the public inquiry alongside attempting to stop Amazon selling lethal knives to children? It isn’t possible for a teenager to walk into B and Q to buy a knife yet this boy ordered a knife to be delivered to his home.

It’s a knotty problem but he was 18 buying a knife.You can be married and ordering knives for your kitchen, shouldn’t that be allowed?
What needs stopping is the sale of zombie knives, machetes and any other huge long knives with ornamental bits on them.
Nobody needs those.
Killings will always happen randomly with a knife as we all need them in kitchen drawers or knife blocks.The Southport attacker could have taken his Mum’s bread knife or carving knife.
In actual shops there are restrictions on knife buying, Mum in her 80’s last year not being able to buy a pair of scissors without an assistant getting them for her and escorting her to the till in Dunelm😁
Online is problematic.

I had to show ID for a craft knife from Amazon.

I’m sure there are other websites on which they can find horrendous knives, no questions asked. It’s not just Amazon.

Everyone has knives in their homes, so preventing young people from buying knives from Amazon won’t make any difference.

nanna8

Starmer’s first big mistake? He lost a lot of support because of the way they went on, labelling everyone present like that. It was disgusting.

I cant see voters [well those who float like me, [wont matter to those who always vote for the same party]], forgettinghow Startmer acted.

Some things are forgettable. I really dont think this will be one of them.

Iam64

Surely it’s possible to organise the public inquiry alongside attempting to stop Amazon selling lethal knives to children? It isn’t possible for a teenager to walk into B and Q to buy a knife yet this boy ordered a knife to be delivered to his home.

I have ordered kitchen knives from Amazon.

I am over 60, I had to product photo ID before the driver would hand over the parcel.

To blame Amazon is a cop out!

Boing - Starmer was very clear in setting out the Inquiry will prevent agencies shifting blame. Let’s hope that happens

Surely it’s possible to organise the public inquiry alongside attempting to stop Amazon selling lethal knives to children? It isn’t possible for a teenager to walk into B and Q to buy a knife yet this boy ordered a knife to be delivered to his home.

Oh God they are now focusing on Amazon. They do this every time, focus on an issue that would have made no difference to the outcome. I mean great stop young people buying knives on Amazon, wont do any harm I suppose, but would have made no difference in this instance. I suppose it is easier than looking at the complex issues.

Barleyfields

Yes. And a fan of Farage. I find it worrying if this is an example of a typical Reform voter.

I will always hold Farage and his rhetoric responsible for Jo Cox’s death.

The other issues are that Police don't do Crime Prevention anymore they only respond when there's a crime been committed and then it's too late. You can ring 101 and report something but they just log it and use it as intelligence - they don't act on it.

If you report anything they want you to go to court & be a witness when really all you want is for them to turn up and sort the issue out before somebody gets killed.

Police struggle to recruit because today's crime is dangerous and there aren't enough existing officers to cover the shifts - double-edged sword.

The various services this lad was under will all be shifting blame between themselves, ultimately it will come down to lack of staff & money so he slipped through the net.

Partly because we want transparency it's harder these days for organisations to "stretch" their remit.

When I was involved with MAPPA years ago (Multi-Agency Public Protection Arrangements) it was already becoming harder to support across areas because about transparency created potential silos "lower down" the chain.

I'm not saying that this is what happened here but clearly he didn't quite fit the remit of the various agencies.
It doesn't mean that they were "passing the buck" as some people seem to think, just that they couldn't all do exactly as they might have liked.

I'm pleased there will be an investigation.
We will know more later no doubt.

Galaxy it is still not terror related.

Just saying.

Barleyfields

Yes. And a fan of Farage. I find it worrying if this is an example of a typical Reform voter.

Actually, I find it has confirmed my opinion of Reform voters. Obsessive, ill informed, prone to deflection when things don't suit them with a nice sprinkling of hypocrisy.

Yes. And a fan of Farage. I find it worrying if this is an example of a typical Reform voter.

Barleyfields

The headline quoted the police as saying ‘we were gagged’. You have skewed that into a statement of fact and sensationalised it. I have already explained that the CPS would advise on the extent of what could be said prior to trial. You almost seem to be champing at the bit over this matter. I find your attitude quite disturbing.

As do I. Is this an example of the alternative truth that Trump practices? We know that FGT is a fan.

As Galaxy said, she knows somebody who is a potential risk, and most communities probably have similar people. I agree that from what we have been told this young man should have been treated/admitted to hospital/sectioned/monitored more, or whatever. My question was more about what is the scale of need, and how many would not be picked up even if all those known were.

Casdon

I agree with what you say M0nica.

After the event, when somebody has murdered somebody else, everybody looks for a solution to stop another similar event happening again. One solution would be to remove potential murders from the streets before they do anything, and lock them away in an institution or a secure mental health unit depending on their presentation, and run Prevent mark2 type programmes for them. How many people would be locked away because they were a potential risk? I’ve got no idea, and I’m also not convinced that even if that happened it would prevent future random attacks, because so many perpetrators are not known to the authorities before they offend.

But many of these people have been on the books of numerous authorities from a very young age and surely they should be monitring them more and picking them up and put them on suitable programmes before they can progress to committin acts of violence.

There are many young people locked up in unsuitable hospital isolation wards because they suffer from severe mental illness and health problems that mean they cannot function safely around other people. Surely if they can lock them away, they should have been able to remove Rukabana from the streets before he did anything dreadful.

When my uncle was in hospital suffering from depression and refused to have ECT treatment , in a matter of hours he was sectioned for three weeks and made to undergo ECT treatment. He was no danger to anyone.

Farage speaks

The headline quoted the police as saying ‘we were gagged’. You have skewed that into a statement of fact and sensationalised it. I have already explained that the CPS would advise on the extent of what could be said prior to trial. You almost seem to be champing at the bit over this matter. I find your attitude quite disturbing.