Performance politics but empty words

Trump can only be a good thing for the world, certain media want you to believe he is far right. This is not true. Someone finally squashing the poisonous woke agenda and bringing back common sense and working for the majority.

One of them was expecting to serve 22 years!

Just to point out that Brexit was never fully implemented and if it had have been this country wouldn't be in the decline that it is in now! The elected governments were too busy listening to the Quangos and unelected bodies instead of implementing what they were voted in for - this has to stop. We have been well and truly betrayed.

Here’s the link from the Independent which outlines Trump’s statement about them being included in politics today.
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-proud-boys-oath-keepers-b2684422.html

Some Trump supporters are self proclaimed fascists. Yesterday, those imprisoned as a result of the Capitol riots started to be released from prison. Fourteen people, including far-right leaders of the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers who were convicted for their roles in the attack, had their sentences commuted to time served. The Proud Boys are a neo-fascist group, and the Oath Keepers are a self appointed private militia.

Maremia

If pro-Trumps are not NAZIs, I wonder what they actually are? Talking about other 'Nazi' candidates, the KKK in Kentucky has become so emboldened by Trumps inauguration that they are handing out 'Go home' leaftets to immigrants.
Wasn't it NAZI policy to discriminate against gays and transgender people?
Trump has told trans and diversity people to leave their posts with immediate effect.

Trump has told trans and diversity people to leave their posts with immediate effect.

That might need rephrasing as it's not clear.
What Trump ordered was that US federal employees working in diversity offices must be put on paid leave by Wednesday evening as the new administration of Donald Trump has ordered the programs shut.

No worries Freya5 it’s funny though that Elegran had a go!
Apology accepted.

So if someone supports a leader who fits the definition of 'fascist' what would you call them instead of a 'fascist supporter', Freya?

Sago, I knew you would read it wrong. That is why I put another quote.
I was agreeing with your comments. The person you were commenting about, the comment you wanted to report, does come across as, "arrogant and righteous, if others disagree with them. Or have another political point of view.pers9nal experience.
That is all . So my apologies.

Seems very NAZI to me!

If pro-Trumps are not NAZIs, I wonder what they actually are? Talking about other 'Nazi' candidates, the KKK in Kentucky has become so emboldened by Trumps inauguration that they are handing out 'Go home' leaftets to immigrants.
Wasn't it NAZI policy to discriminate against gays and transgender people?
Trump has told trans and diversity people to leave their posts with immediate effect.

Eliporthan
I have no idea where that came from, the Autocorrect seems to have wandered down to Cornwall, Eloethan

That's not 'communist' Sago, it's just concern for all citizens, not just the wealthy.

Perhaps you should read up on Communism...

Eloethan

*Sago" What part of my post suggests that I want a "Communist State"? I would just like to see a little more humanity and fairness.

I said young people should be able to achieve their potential - in whatever field they are interested in. However, it is sometimes accepted that those who are not academic or who do what is in my opinion unfairly seen as low status jobs should either "skill up" or spend a lifetime on poverty wages. Not everyone can be a high flyer but people doing essential jobs should, in my opinion, be paid properly.

Sorry Whitewave this has rather drifted off the subject.

I agree Eliporthan

That also means that the State ie the taxpayer, does not have to subsidise employers who can get away with paying very low wages.

It's interesting, too, that many people who are not considered to be 'academic' or 'bright' by some can become skilled in their field, are enterprising and much in demand and end up better off than some who spend their lives in academia.

Eloethan

*Sago" What part of my post suggests that I want a "Communist State"? I would just like to see a little more humanity and fairness.

I said young people should be able to achieve their potential - in whatever field they are interested in. However, it is sometimes accepted that those who are not academic or who do what is in my opinion unfairly seen as low status jobs should either "skill up" or spend a lifetime on poverty wages. Not everyone can be a high flyer but people doing essential jobs should, in my opinion, be paid properly.

Sorry Whitewave this has rather drifted off the subject.

“But I think it is unfair that people who are doing jobs that are essential are often poorly paid. Why do we have so many highly paid people in jobs or running businesses, that are not essential and which, in some cases, are damaging to society - for example, the betting and advertising industry.”

That part.

Same as last time then.

*Sago" What part of my post suggests that I want a "Communist State"? I would just like to see a little more humanity and fairness.

I said young people should be able to achieve their potential - in whatever field they are interested in. However, it is sometimes accepted that those who are not academic or who do what is in my opinion unfairly seen as low status jobs should either "skill up" or spend a lifetime on poverty wages. Not everyone can be a high flyer but people doing essential jobs should, in my opinion, be paid properly.

Sorry Whitewave this has rather drifted off the subject.

Thanks MaizieD

Lawyer David Allen Green has done a blog about the Executive Orders. I think it's available for anyone to read if you're interested, Allira

Basically he says they can vary from being executable to being just performative

Like the Truss legal letter recently examined on this blog, what you have here are media-political devices disguised in the form of legal documents.

But it is a mask, and what we are seeing is essentially a masquerade.

This is not to say that some – maybe many – of these Executive Orders are not going to have adverse effects for somebody – especially in the short term.

Indeed, given the many partisan conservative judges now on the federal bench, there will be energetic judicial exertions to give effect to otherwise shoddy Executive Orders.

But what it does mean is that we should be careful not to accept everything at face value.

For a flurry of Executive Orders may be little different from a flurry of Press Releases.

And we should be mindful that we are dealing with con-artist conjurers.

davidallengreen.com/2025/01/looking-critically-at-trumps-flurry-of-executive-orders-why-we-should-watch-what-is-done-and-not-to-be-distracted-by-what-is-said/#respond

I am very informed about politics, but don't believe half they say and promise.

David49

I think it’s time this thread ended because we have 2 sides that are not going to reconcile and it’s getting too combative.

Well, posters could either try to get it back on track or avoid the thread.

Signing public documents or holding photo opportunities in no way guarantees the passage of these bills and policies.
Is that true? Some of the executive orders signed by Trump seem to have had results already.
Is he omnipotent? That is worrying.

Is our system of Government better as it tends to be so sluggish?
I'm thinking of some of the promises made by governments to bereaved parents which never seem to be actioned.

People vote a certain way for a myriad of reasons; not always with thought or consideration for policies.
My Gran, poor working class, voted Tory because they were the Party of the Better Class.
People vote negatively; you hate Corbyn, you vote Tory, then you hate Johnson so you vote Labour.
Reason has little to do with the emotional vote.

I think it’s time this thread ended because we have 2 sides that are not going to reconcile and it’s getting too combative.

Mt61

Whitewavemark2

My point is that if someone admires Trump, Musk et Al then I think that you can assume that they are fascist supporters, who would vote for a Nazi party, - not uneducated.

You do talk rubbish at times whitewavemark2

I don't think she's talking rubbish at all.

There a re plenty of definitions of fascism easily accessible on line. If you want to argue that Trump isn't fascist according to those definitions that's fine, but if not, if someone else has found that he fits the definitions it is perfectly reasonable for them to infer that those who follow him must share his beliefs, so are fascist supporters.

If they are, in your opinion, not fascist supporters , what would you say they are?

Sago it’s scraping the bottom of the barrel when posters start hurling personal insults
Mt61 you do talk rubbish at times Whitewave mark2