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Trump’s Speech

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Cossy Tue 21-Jan-25 08:42:49

Are these really the words of a sane man!

“America will reclaim its rightful place as the greatest, most powerful, most respected nation on Earth, inspiring the awe and admiration of the entire world,”

Be afraid, be very afraid!

Skydancer Wed 22-Jan-25 16:40:03

Nobody’s mentioned his stance on the environment. When he ruins that which he’s intending to do there’s little hope left.

pascal30 Wed 22-Jan-25 16:26:22

he could actually be both..

flump Wed 22-Jan-25 16:22:20

A definition of a narcissistic personality disorder:

characterized by an exaggerated sense of self-importance, constant need for attention or praise, inability to cope with criticism or defeat, poor relationships with other people.

Remind you of anyone in the public eye?

pascal30 Wed 22-Jan-25 14:55:09

Philippa111

The man is a narcissist and its what they do! They have a grandiose sense of self and their abilities.
It's difficult to watch this man playing out his inner childish and very disturbed world.

I wonder whether he is a sociopath.. He doesn't appear to have any emotions..

Allira Wed 22-Jan-25 14:55:02

Whitewavemark2

😄😄

😁

Love Ian Hislop❣

Cossy Wed 22-Jan-25 14:45:51

Claremont

Why shouldn't they if they express exactly the same views as one's own? I don't get your point.

How can anyone not “get the point” when reading this??

To me it illustrates all the very worse we know about Trump and his supporters.

Wyllow3 Wed 22-Jan-25 14:34:19

And of course an Auguration reflecting the many different backgrounds of the nation....

Philippa111 Wed 22-Jan-25 14:22:29

The man is a narcissist and its what they do! They have a grandiose sense of self and their abilities.
It's difficult to watch this man playing out his inner childish and very disturbed world.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 22-Jan-25 14:16:43

😄😄

Whitewavemark2 Wed 22-Jan-25 10:38:10

claremont

Good to be reminded of how bad it is.

MaizieD Wed 22-Jan-25 10:33:52

ronib

Good idea - have found the Treaty online. Fascinating read MaizieD

Treaties very often are fascinating.

Does this one give the US any right to march in and take over the canal?

Claremont Wed 22-Jan-25 10:30:21

Syracute

Claremont

THIS WAS ON A FRIEND’S PAGE: An anguished question from a Trump supporter: ‘Why do liberals think Trump supporters are stupid?’

THE SERIOUS ANSWER: Here’s what the majority of anti-Trump voters honestly feel about Trump supporters en masse:

That when you saw a man who had owned a fraudulent University, intent on scamming poor people, you thought "Fine." (https://www.usatoday.com/.../trump-university.../502387002/)

That when you saw a man who had made it his business practice to stiff his creditors, you said, "Okay." (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-hotel-paid-millions...)

That when you heard him proudly brag about his own history of sexual abuse, you said, "No problem." (https://abcnews.go.com/.../list-trumps-accusers.../story...)

That when he made up stories about seeing Muslim-Americans in the thousands cheering the destruction of the World Trade Center, you said, "Not an issue." (https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../donald-trumps.../)

That when you saw him brag that he could shoot a man on Fifth Avenue and you wouldn't care, you exclaimed, "He sure knows me." (https://www.usatoday.com/.../president-donald.../4073405002/)

That when you heard him relating a story of an elderly guest of his country club, an 80-year old man, who fell off a stage and hit his head, to Trump replied: “‘Oh my God, that’s disgusting,’ and I turned away. I couldn’t—you know, he was right in front of me, and I turned away. I didn’t want to touch him. He was bleeding all over the place. And I felt terrible, because it was a beautiful white marble floor, and now it had changed color. Became very red.” You said, "That's cool!" (https://www.gq.com/story/donald-trump-howard-stern-story)

That when you saw him mock the disabled, you thought it was the funniest thing you ever saw. (https://www.nbcnews.com/.../donald-trump-criticized-after...)

That when you heard him brag that he doesn't read books, you said, "Well, who has time?" (https://www.theatlantic.com/.../americas-first.../549794/)

That when the Central Park Five were compensated as innocent men convicted of a crime they didn't commit, and he angrily said that they should still be in prison, you said, "That makes sense." (https://www.usatoday.com/.../what-trump-has.../1501321001/)

That when you heard him tell his supporters to beat up protesters and that he would hire attorneys, you thought, "Yes!" (https://www.latimes.com/.../la-na-trump-campaign-protests..

That when you heard him tell one rally to confiscate a man's coat before throwing him out into the freezing cold, you said, "What a great guy!" (https://www.independent.co.uk/.../donald-trump-orders...)

That you have watched the parade of neo-Nazis and white supremacists with whom he curries favor, while refusing to condemn outright Nazis, and you have said, "Thumbs up!" (https://www.theatlantic.com/.../why-cant-trump.../567320/)

That you hear him unable to talk to foreign dignitaries without insulting their countries and demanding that they praise his electoral win, you said, "That's the way I want my President to be." (https://www.huffpost.com/.../trump-insult-foreign...)

That you have watched him remove expertise from all layers of government in favor of people who make money off of eliminating protections in the industries they're supposed to be regulating and you have said, "What a genius!" (https://www.politico.com/.../138-trump-policy-changes...)

That you have heard him continue to profit from his businesses, in part by leveraging his position as President, to the point of overcharging the Secret Service for space in the properties he owns, and you have said, "That's smart!" (https://www.usnews.com/.../how-is-donald-trump-profiting...)

That you have heard him say that it was difficult to help Puerto Rico because it was in the middle of water and you have said, "That makes sense." (https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../the-very-big-ocean.../)

That you have seen him start fights with every country from Canada to New Zealand while praising Russia and quote, "falling in love" with the dictator of North Korea, and you have said, "That's statesmanship!" (https://www.cnn.com/.../donald-trump-dictators.../index.html)

That Trump separated children from their families and put them in cages, managed to lose track of 1500 kids, has opened a tent city incarceration camp in the desert in Texas - he explains that they’re just “animals” - and you say, “Well, OK then.” (https://www.nbcnews.com/.../more-5-400-children-split...)

That you have witnessed all the thousand and one other manifestations of corruption and low moral character and outright animalistic rudeness and contempt for you, the working American voter, and you still show up grinning and wearing your MAGA hats and threatening to beat up anybody who says otherwise. (https://www.americanprogress.org/.../confronting-cost.../)

What you don't get, Trump supporters, is that our succumbing to frustration and shaking our heads, thinking of you as stupid, may very well be wrong and unhelpful, but it's also...hear me...charitable.

Because if you're NOT stupid, we must turn to other explanations, and most of them are less flattering.
- Adam-Troy Castro

This beautiful and thank you for quoting from your friend smile

Thanks Syracute. But the person who wrote this is not actually my friend. I cut and pasted the whole post. And the name of the author.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 22-Jan-25 10:18:08

pascal30

Whitewavemark2

Aside from the small matter of the illegality of Trumps actions - Panama - has anyone thought how this “taking back” might actually happen.

I think that Trump needs to read history - canal snatching never goes well. Another declining state tried to do just that and it simply reinforced the declining states’ second class status.

He needs reminding of a canal named Suez.

We do however need to keep a very close eye on China

Just as a close eye was kept on the U.K., France and Israel by the USA - who eventually forced their withdrawal.

ronib Wed 22-Jan-25 10:15:24

Good idea - have found the Treaty online. Fascinating read MaizieD

MaizieD Wed 22-Jan-25 09:24:03

ronib

We would need to read the treaty of 1999 between Panama and the United States to understand what ‘neutrality’ is meant. What, if any sanctions are contained in the treaty and can these be imposed?

Why don’t you research it and answer your own questions?

mae13 Wed 22-Jan-25 09:10:32

Yesterday the BBC radio featured his latest missive: a rambling jumble of words in that grinding monotone of his and when he finished, the show's presenter simply asked "what was that about?"

Indeed.

pascal30 Wed 22-Jan-25 08:53:30

Whitewavemark2

Aside from the small matter of the illegality of Trumps actions - Panama - has anyone thought how this “taking back” might actually happen.

I think that Trump needs to read history - canal snatching never goes well. Another declining state tried to do just that and it simply reinforced the declining states’ second class status.

He needs reminding of a canal named Suez.

We do however need to keep a very close eye on China

ronib Wed 22-Jan-25 08:30:56

We would need to read the treaty of 1999 between Panama and the United States to understand what ‘neutrality’ is meant. What, if any sanctions are contained in the treaty and can these be imposed?

bee16B Wed 22-Jan-25 08:19:12

Please don’t be facile

Please don't be so rude.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 22-Jan-25 07:28:13

Aside from the small matter of the illegality of Trumps actions - Panama - has anyone thought how this “taking back” might actually happen.

I think that Trump needs to read history - canal snatching never goes well. Another declining state tried to do just that and it simply reinforced the declining states’ second class status.

He needs reminding of a canal named Suez.

ronib Wed 22-Jan-25 05:24:05

Allira Trump is pumping up to claim that the neutrality of the Panama Canal has been compromised by China. This might be sufficient justification for some kind of action by the USA. Of course, Russia, China and Panama can join together against Trump and more bluster and puff. Trump is trying to dent China’s economic growth so coupled with tariffs, it might not work out as planned for him. Early days.

Syracute Wed 22-Jan-25 00:48:40

Claremont

THIS WAS ON A FRIEND’S PAGE: An anguished question from a Trump supporter: ‘Why do liberals think Trump supporters are stupid?’

THE SERIOUS ANSWER: Here’s what the majority of anti-Trump voters honestly feel about Trump supporters en masse:

That when you saw a man who had owned a fraudulent University, intent on scamming poor people, you thought "Fine." (https://www.usatoday.com/.../trump-university.../502387002/)

That when you saw a man who had made it his business practice to stiff his creditors, you said, "Okay." (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-hotel-paid-millions...)

That when you heard him proudly brag about his own history of sexual abuse, you said, "No problem." (https://abcnews.go.com/.../list-trumps-accusers.../story...)

That when he made up stories about seeing Muslim-Americans in the thousands cheering the destruction of the World Trade Center, you said, "Not an issue." (https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../donald-trumps.../)

That when you saw him brag that he could shoot a man on Fifth Avenue and you wouldn't care, you exclaimed, "He sure knows me." (https://www.usatoday.com/.../president-donald.../4073405002/)

That when you heard him relating a story of an elderly guest of his country club, an 80-year old man, who fell off a stage and hit his head, to Trump replied: “‘Oh my God, that’s disgusting,’ and I turned away. I couldn’t—you know, he was right in front of me, and I turned away. I didn’t want to touch him. He was bleeding all over the place. And I felt terrible, because it was a beautiful white marble floor, and now it had changed color. Became very red.” You said, "That's cool!" (https://www.gq.com/story/donald-trump-howard-stern-story)

That when you saw him mock the disabled, you thought it was the funniest thing you ever saw. (https://www.nbcnews.com/.../donald-trump-criticized-after...)

That when you heard him brag that he doesn't read books, you said, "Well, who has time?" (https://www.theatlantic.com/.../americas-first.../549794/)

That when the Central Park Five were compensated as innocent men convicted of a crime they didn't commit, and he angrily said that they should still be in prison, you said, "That makes sense." (https://www.usatoday.com/.../what-trump-has.../1501321001/)

That when you heard him tell his supporters to beat up protesters and that he would hire attorneys, you thought, "Yes!" (https://www.latimes.com/.../la-na-trump-campaign-protests..

That when you heard him tell one rally to confiscate a man's coat before throwing him out into the freezing cold, you said, "What a great guy!" (https://www.independent.co.uk/.../donald-trump-orders...)

That you have watched the parade of neo-Nazis and white supremacists with whom he curries favor, while refusing to condemn outright Nazis, and you have said, "Thumbs up!" (https://www.theatlantic.com/.../why-cant-trump.../567320/)

That you hear him unable to talk to foreign dignitaries without insulting their countries and demanding that they praise his electoral win, you said, "That's the way I want my President to be." (https://www.huffpost.com/.../trump-insult-foreign...)

That you have watched him remove expertise from all layers of government in favor of people who make money off of eliminating protections in the industries they're supposed to be regulating and you have said, "What a genius!" (https://www.politico.com/.../138-trump-policy-changes...)

That you have heard him continue to profit from his businesses, in part by leveraging his position as President, to the point of overcharging the Secret Service for space in the properties he owns, and you have said, "That's smart!" (https://www.usnews.com/.../how-is-donald-trump-profiting...)

That you have heard him say that it was difficult to help Puerto Rico because it was in the middle of water and you have said, "That makes sense." (https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../the-very-big-ocean.../)

That you have seen him start fights with every country from Canada to New Zealand while praising Russia and quote, "falling in love" with the dictator of North Korea, and you have said, "That's statesmanship!" (https://www.cnn.com/.../donald-trump-dictators.../index.html)

That Trump separated children from their families and put them in cages, managed to lose track of 1500 kids, has opened a tent city incarceration camp in the desert in Texas - he explains that they’re just “animals” - and you say, “Well, OK then.” (https://www.nbcnews.com/.../more-5-400-children-split...)

That you have witnessed all the thousand and one other manifestations of corruption and low moral character and outright animalistic rudeness and contempt for you, the working American voter, and you still show up grinning and wearing your MAGA hats and threatening to beat up anybody who says otherwise. (https://www.americanprogress.org/.../confronting-cost.../)

What you don't get, Trump supporters, is that our succumbing to frustration and shaking our heads, thinking of you as stupid, may very well be wrong and unhelpful, but it's also...hear me...charitable.

Because if you're NOT stupid, we must turn to other explanations, and most of them are less flattering.
- Adam-Troy Castro

This beautiful and thank you for quoting from your friend smile

RosiesMaw2 Tue 21-Jan-25 23:02:32

And dear friend of Claremont bien sûr!

Allira Tue 21-Jan-25 23:00:44

"Adam-Troy Castro is an American science fiction, fantasy, and horror writer living in Wildwood, Florida."

Allira Tue 21-Jan-25 22:47:57

FriedGreenTomatoes2

There was plenty to take in wasn’t there? In his inauguration speech, Trump promised to: declare a state of emergency at the southern border; declare a “national energy emergency”; undo the Green New Deal; create an External Revenue Service to level tariffs on foreign nations; rename the Gulf of Mexico to the “Gulf of America”; and establish a “Department of Government Efficiency.” Following the speech, his administration fired off a barrage of executive orders, pausing the TikTok ban, withdrawing from the Paris Climate Accord, freezing federal hiring, and undoing over 70 Biden-era executive actions.

Other actions included one “ending the weaponization of the federal government” and another calling on “the heads of all executive departments and agencies” to “deliver emergency price relief” to the American people.

He’s had 4 years out of office. He’s raring to go.

It's quite terrifying that one man has such power.