The Guardian reports that Trump says all Palestinians should move out of Gaza

Even if Amnesty International are accusing them of war crimes?

Any inquiries done are the business of Israel, not the UK.

Oh okay Maybee, I thought it had just happened, a second event similar to the first. I thought it was strange it hadn’t been covered in the news.

It was very sad, extremely sad, but will be put down to friendly fire. It was a tragic mistake.

maddyone

Is this supposed to have happened last Friday? 24th January 2025? I remember three hostages being killed a while ago as they were trying to escape from captivity and get to Israeli soldiers, but I know nothing about any further hostages being killed last week.

Anyway so called friendly fire is a feature of all wars. Many of the allies were killed by friendly fire during WW2. It’s a very sad fact of war.

I didn’t say it was a recent event, just that I’m not aware of hearing the results of the ‘enquiry’ into it. I don’t think we hear of any results from any ‘ enquiries’.

Is this supposed to have happened last Friday? 24th January 2025? I remember three hostages being killed a while ago as they were trying to escape from captivity and get to Israeli soldiers, but I know nothing about any further hostages being killed last week.

Anyway so called friendly fire is a feature of all wars. Many of the allies were killed by friendly fire during WW2. It’s a very sad fact of war.

It’s called friendly fire Maybe70 and tragically the IDF killed the three Israeli hostages.It happens a lot in conflicts and I have no doubt at all there was an internal investigation into it but in a time of conflict no country will make a huge outcry about their own mistakes.

‘Three Israeli hostages mistakenly killed by soldiers in Gaza on Friday had used leftover food to write signs pleading for help, Israel says.
The men had been staying at the building next to where they were shot "for some period of time", according to the Israel Defense Forces (IDF).
The head of the IDF told troops that they are "absolutely not" permitted to shoot those surrendering.
"The IDF doesn't shoot a person who raises their hands," said Herzi Halevi.
He said Gazans with a white flag must be arrested and not shot "if they lay down their arms and raise their hands".
About 120 hostages are believed to be still in captivity in the Gaza Strip, held by Hamas and allied Palestinian groups.
Israel is under increasing pressure for a deal to free more hostages.
Israeli officials have admitted that killing the three men who were holding a white flag was a breach of "rules of engagement".
They were seized and taken to Gaza during the 7 October Hamas attacks that killed around 1,200 in southern Israel’
I still don’t understand how this happened or why we have heard nothing about an enquiry into it…

I do not believe Netanyahu makes every decision alone, no
army personnel etc, I think not

Mistakes of complacency is what it was.Israel has been keeping enemies from its door successfully for a long time and with hamas the government of Gaza no doubt thought nothing of that kind would ever happen.
There are no people on this forum that would accuse me of being antisemitic.

Oreo

Claremont you just don’t give up with the conspiracy theories, out come all these tired old ideas time and again.
You don’t seem to think that mistakes can be made.
Or is it what you want to think where Israel is concerned.
It’s what I call extreme gossiping.

What Claremont has posted isn't a conspiracy theory. At least you've admitted that there were mistakes - yes, there most certainly were, but beware - there are people on GN you will accuse of being anti-semitic even for writing that.

Kalms the childish ‘smellrich’ thing doesn’t do you any favours.

Claremont you just don’t give up with the conspiracy theories, out come all these tired old ideas time and again.
You don’t seem to think that mistakes can be made.
Or is it what you want to think where Israel is concerned.
It’s what I call extreme gossiping.

Anniebach

Are watchers named ?

Some are, others chose not to be (for fear of retaliation). Chief military Officer and others who resigned due to Netanyahu's refusal to listen to warnings, are very well known.

The tatzpitaniyot, especially those at a base in Nahal Oz, one of several kibbutzim overrun on October 7, reported unusual signs along the Gaza border. The activity was not just minor, and included Hamas sending up drones several times a day in the weeks leading up to the attack.

One of the soldiers, identified only only by her first name Ilana, told the Haaretz newspaper they observed Hamas fighters training for assaults. “A month and a half before the war, we saw that in one of the Hamas training camps they had built an exact, scaled model of an observer’s position, like the one we operate. They started training there with drones to hit the [machine gun] shooter,” Ilana said.

“In the last two months, they started sending up drones every day, sometimes several times a day, right near the border, some 300 meters from the fence, and sometimes less than that,” she added.

Other tatzpitaniyot reported that Hamas gunmen were rehearsing attacks on armored vehicles using a replica of a Merkava Mark 4 tank, and that Hamas fighters were digging holes and placing explosives along the border. Israel’s Kan public broadcaster and the country’s Channel 12 television have aired interviews with border lookouts complaining they were ignored and were told to stop raising alarms.

The interviews are adding to claims last month by two women surveillance soldiers, Yael Rotenberg and Maya Desiatnik, who told Kan that in the months before the attack, they had flagged a lot of border behavior that worried them. Both were based at Nahal Oz, where 20 tatzpitaniyot were killed on October 7.

Claremont

From the above article- I truly hope many will take the time to read it, whichever 'side' they are on.

Trump has also resumed the supply of 2,000lb bombs to Israel that the Biden administration paused over concerns about how they were being used in Gaza. Meanwhile, Trump’s choice for ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee, has previously expressed the view that “there’s really no such thing as a Palestinian”. This is the man many are expecting to compel Netanyahu to stick with the ceasefire and enable Gaza’s reconstruction under Palestinian self-rule.

On 3 February, negotiators from Israel and Hamas are due to start ironing out details ahead of the second phase of the ceasefire. This will present Netanyahu with the perfect opportunity to collapse the talks, blame Hamas, and resume the war should he so choose. The international community, which stood by for 15 months as Israel pulverised Gaza and its inhabitants, must leverage every tool in its arsenal to ensure that the agreement holds.

Last week, Netanyahu reneged on his government’s commitment to withdraw Israeli forces from Lebanon within 60 days, although he put the blame in Lebanon’s court. There appears to be very little stopping him from doing the same, and worse, in Gaza. The consequences for two million Palestinians who are only just beginning to pick up the pieces of their shattered lives would be devastating.

It may be that Trump is now floating the idea of mass expulsion from Gaza (or, in Smotrich’s lingo, “voluntary emigration”) in order to placate the far right and enable Netanyahu to see the ceasefire through with the promise of bigger “victories” to come. Either way, the normalisation of Palestinian disposability makes this an incredibly dangerous juncture, in which no scenario can be discounted.

Ben Reiff is a senior editor at +972 magazine

Yes I'm afraid that Gazans have been well and truly stitched up by that evil duo Trump and Netanyahu

Are watchers named ?

I can't stay I blame you for stepping out Maizie. Despite the fact that the surviving "watchers" reported that they weren't taken seriously and troops' being moved to the West Bank, which Netanyahu thought a greater threat, you can't mention it on GN without being called anti-semitic and accused of victim blaming.

Claremont

Thank you Kalm for this article which illustrates so well that Netanyahu's and his extremists just cannot be trusted, and that their aim has been, for a long time, to finally take over all the land from the Palestinians and finally obliterate them.

All he needed was an excuse- and Hamas gave it to him/them, tragically for all involved. Some accused me of conspiracy theories when I mentionned before that Netanyahu CHOSE to ignore repeated warnings, at the highest level - and CHOSE to not stop Hamas's attack at the border or just beyond- which he had both the time and all the necessary military and security equipment to do. WHY, would he CHOOSE to do that?

I mentioned it, too, Claremont, to universal condemnation. But I'm afraid that the massive failure in security caused by ignoring the reports of unusual Hamas activity near the border, for months, looks highly suspect when Israeli intelligence has carried out so many highly sophisticated operations against their 'enemies' in the past.

Netanyahu is an evil man. I wouldn't trust him for a moment. Israelis could well direct their anger at the 'leader' who failed to protect them.

Now I'm stepping out of here because I know I'll be attacked and I'm not prepared to argue with brick walls.

From the above article- I truly hope many will take the time to read it, whichever 'side' they are on.

Trump has also resumed the supply of 2,000lb bombs to Israel that the Biden administration paused over concerns about how they were being used in Gaza. Meanwhile, Trump’s choice for ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee, has previously expressed the view that “there’s really no such thing as a Palestinian”. This is the man many are expecting to compel Netanyahu to stick with the ceasefire and enable Gaza’s reconstruction under Palestinian self-rule.

On 3 February, negotiators from Israel and Hamas are due to start ironing out details ahead of the second phase of the ceasefire. This will present Netanyahu with the perfect opportunity to collapse the talks, blame Hamas, and resume the war should he so choose. The international community, which stood by for 15 months as Israel pulverised Gaza and its inhabitants, must leverage every tool in its arsenal to ensure that the agreement holds.

Last week, Netanyahu reneged on his government’s commitment to withdraw Israeli forces from Lebanon within 60 days, although he put the blame in Lebanon’s court. There appears to be very little stopping him from doing the same, and worse, in Gaza. The consequences for two million Palestinians who are only just beginning to pick up the pieces of their shattered lives would be devastating.

It may be that Trump is now floating the idea of mass expulsion from Gaza (or, in Smotrich’s lingo, “voluntary emigration”) in order to placate the far right and enable Netanyahu to see the ceasefire through with the promise of bigger “victories” to come. Either way, the normalisation of Palestinian disposability makes this an incredibly dangerous juncture, in which no scenario can be discounted.

Ben Reiff is a senior editor at +972 magazine

Thank you Kalm for this article which illustrates so well that Netanyahu's and his extremists just cannot be trusted, and that their aim has been, for a long time, to finally take over all the land from the Palestinians and finally obliterate them.

All he needed was an excuse- and Hamas gave it to him/them, tragically for all involved. Some accused me of conspiracy theories when I mentionned before that Netanyahu CHOSE to ignore repeated warnings, at the highest level - and CHOSE to not stop Hamas's attack at the border or just beyond- which he had both the time and all the necessary military and security equipment to do. WHY, would he CHOOSE to do that?

So if last week some one told me Trump will be using the word "clean-out" in respect of Palestinians during holocaust week I would have called them stupid, crazy and at best insensitive. Ben Reiff puts this well in his article www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jan/28/israel-far-right-planning-gaza-without-palestinians
Yet smellrich has probably played an accidental blinder as he has found favour with Trump and the rest of the fascist govt.
Smellrich has also supported a fuller cleansing "https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotrich-says-half-of-gazans-can-be-encouraged-to-leave-within-two-years/"
Is history repeating itself towards the final solution - Draw your own analogy.

Quote Claremont Tue 28-Jan-25 21:37:48
Can Netanyahu and his IDF be trusted? I definitely think not. Many Israelis and Jews all over the world dont trust him at all.

Are you really that naive and so poorly informed- I find it difficult to believe

Post not poster

Can Netanyahu and his IDF be trusted? I definitely think not. Many Israelis and Jews all over the world dont trust him at all.

Are you really that naive and so poorly informed- I find it difficult to believe.

Can others be trusted ? I think not

Makes total sense. Israel and those who support Netanyahu cannot complain about Palestinian Press not reporting accurately, if they refuse access to others. This is hardly 'an opinion'.

In your opinion