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The Guardian reports that Trump says all Palestinians should move out of Gaza

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Claremont Sun 26-Jan-25 18:31:18

as he agrees to deliver a massive number of bombs for the IDF- so they can clear the country.

Are they planning the Ben Gurrion Canal yet- was it was this is all about, as some suspected a long time ago.

Call me cynical andpessimistic. Where on earth are they supposed to go?

Elegran Tue 18-Feb-25 09:31:19

UN says 40,000 displaced in West Bank as Israel accused of readying annexation
Jamal Juma'a, head of the Stop the Wall campaign, tells MEE {Middle Eastern Eye] that the Israeli offensive is aimed at preparing the infrastructure for a US-backed land grab"
www.middleeasteye.net/news/un-displaced-west-bank-israel-readying-annexation

Claremont Mon 17-Feb-25 20:19:54

It has everything to do with Gaza.

Claremont Mon 17-Feb-25 20:19:23

This is not the case of any American shooting any tourists.

It is about spreading hate, against one group or another. The American happened to be a Jew, and he happened to want to shoot two men, point blank, because he thought he looked like Palestinians.

As you are fully aware.

If a 'Palestinian/arab' American had shot two men because they looked Jewish, point blank- what would you say.

Anniebach Mon 17-Feb-25 19:50:22

Can we now expect every report of every shooting in America ?

Oreo Mon 17-Feb-25 19:40:30

So a trigger happy US citizen has mistakenly shot and injured two Israeli holidaymakers.
That has no bearing on Gaza.Just very unfortunate for the two men on holiday.

Claremont Mon 17-Feb-25 19:16:26

www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-florida-man-arrested-after-shooting-2-israelis-he-thought-were-palestinians/

Claremont Mon 17-Feb-25 19:15:33

Anniebach

Law enforcement sources didn’t say whether or not the people shot were Palestinians, only that they’re visiting from Israel.

Seems no mention of Jews or Palestinians

From the Israeli Times

A Jewish man in Miami Beach was arrested Sunday and charged with two counts of attempted murder, a day after opening fire at a car in which he said he saw “two Palestinians” inside.

However, police said that the victims were actually two Jewish Israelis visiting the US. The victims, Ari Rabey and his father, initially thought they were being targeted in an antisemitic attack..

Mordechai Brafman, 27, was arrested and charged with two counts of attempted murder after he shot at the car 17 times with a semiautomatic handgun on Saturday.

Police said there was no altercation between Brafman and the two victims before the shooting, which they described as unprovoked, reports said.

According to the arrest sheet, Brafman said that while he was driving his truck, “he saw two Palestinians and shot and killed both.”

Anniebach Mon 17-Feb-25 18:18:23

Quote Rula Mon 17-Feb-25 17:53:57
Anniebach
It is antisemitism, what have Jews in Australia. U.K, America done to Gaza and Palestine ? nothing, they are Jews
Did you hear about the 2 deplorable nurses telling a jew that in their hospital they don't treat Jews and one guy actually said he killed them.

Sacked now, unable to work in any medical facility in Australia and police involved

Yes Rula terrifying for all Jews everywhere

David49 Mon 17-Feb-25 18:06:17

valdali

Iran has to be watched - just that.
They haven't violated anyone's sovereignty & don't stand accused of genocide.
Israel is so accused, and for far too long has had, 2 "get out of jail free" cards.
One they're the only USA-orientated state in the region.

Two is more inflamatory, but the Holocaust also signals "no-one can criticize Israel" in the West. This despite Jewish people being only one of the Nazi-persecuted groups (by far the most awful persecution admittedly) & that it was UK, commonwealth, USA & free french who actually defeated the Nazi regime.

IMO Israel should be treated as any other sovereign state, both for moral reasons & for the long-term stability of the region.

Iran funds all the terrorist groups responsible for tens of thousands of deaths

Rula Mon 17-Feb-25 17:53:57

Anniebach

It is antisemitism, what have Jews in Australia. U.K, America done to Gaza and Palestine ? nothing, they are Jews

Did you hear about the 2 deplorable nurses telling a jew that in their hospital they don't treat Jews and one guy actually said he killed them.

Sacked now, unable to work in any medical facility in Australia and police involved

valdali Mon 17-Feb-25 17:46:37

and Russia!

valdali Mon 17-Feb-25 17:45:37

Iran has to be watched - just that.
They haven't violated anyone's sovereignty & don't stand accused of genocide.
Israel is so accused, and for far too long has had, 2 "get out of jail free" cards.
One they're the only USA-orientated state in the region.

Two is more inflamatory, but the Holocaust also signals "no-one can criticize Israel" in the West. This despite Jewish people being only one of the Nazi-persecuted groups (by far the most awful persecution admittedly) & that it was UK, commonwealth, USA & free french who actually defeated the Nazi regime.

IMO Israel should be treated as any other sovereign state, both for moral reasons & for the long-term stability of the region.

Boz Mon 17-Feb-25 13:59:07

Against a greater enemy, my enemy is my friend.
Iran has to be watched and Israel offers the West a friend in this region. With Vance espousing Christian Fundamentalism, this is probably a new-age crusade.

Anniebach Mon 17-Feb-25 13:49:45

The far right and far left are antisemitic !

Babs03 Mon 17-Feb-25 13:12:52

Typos sorry

Babs03 Mon 17-Feb-25 13:12:18

nanna8

Anti Semitism is on the rise here. Vile graffiti, burning synagogues in Sydney and Melbourne and that is just the beginning. It is disgusting that they let people march around waving flags ,saying they want to annihilate Israelis. I’m not Jewish but I would be very,very afraid just to go about my day to day life if I was. This in a country that welcomed Jewish refugees once upon a time.

Well in the US schools in Utah can apparently display the Nazi flag, and Trump and his cronies all have alt right associations, and the alt right are known for being anti Semitic, Musks parents were Nazi sympathisers and Vance has made anti semitic remarks in the past.
They make the anti semitism in Corbyn’s day look like a Sunday school picnic and am not in any way dismissing it it’s saying that right now, with fascism on the rise we are due some very dark days.
Bibi is effectively cosying up to his worst nightmare in other circumstances.

Claremont Mon 17-Feb-25 13:07:40

Some have fully supported Netanyhu's genocidal war in Gaza, and the West Bank. Some have not.

Yes, both are terrible, nasty twins. Islamophobia and anti-semitism. Vile, both.

Anniebach Mon 17-Feb-25 12:07:06

It is antisemitism, what have Jews in Australia. U.K, America done to Gaza and Palestine ? nothing, they are Jews

nanna8 Mon 17-Feb-25 11:52:17

Anti Semitism is on the rise here. Vile graffiti, burning synagogues in Sydney and Melbourne and that is just the beginning. It is disgusting that they let people march around waving flags ,saying they want to annihilate Israelis. I’m not Jewish but I would be very,very afraid just to go about my day to day life if I was. This in a country that welcomed Jewish refugees once upon a time.

Anniebach Mon 17-Feb-25 10:23:46

Law enforcement playing it down or

The Instagram account South_Florida_Simchas, which posts about Jewish life, posted a selfie video that showed a bullet in a man’s left shoulder and stated the victims were an Israeli father and son and neither are Palestinian.

Playing it up

Babs03 Mon 17-Feb-25 10:07:32

Claremont

We will all suffer from it. I am 74 and have had an amazing, very full and happy life. But I so fear for the next generation. Our grandchildren finishing school and some at University, with a whole life ahead of them and very aware of the dangers.

I agree. Is depressing me so much these days. To think that the freedoms our parents fought so hard for in WW2 and the freedoms our generation fought for on the streets and in parliament, will have to be fought for all over again.
😞

Claremont Mon 17-Feb-25 10:07:32

Law Enforcement playing it down!

As to what ignited such an attack on Pine Tree Drive, the arrest form details Mordechai Brafman in the police interview room, “spontaneously stated that while he was driving his truck, he saw two Palestinians and shot and killed both.” Brafman didn’t kill anybody. One person was shot in the left shoulder, police added, the other person got a grazed forearm. Law enforcement sources didn’t say whether or not the people shot were Palestinians, only that they’re visiting from Israel. The Instagram account South_Florida_Simchas, which posts about Jewish life, posted a selfie video that showed a bullet in a man’s left shoulder and stated the victims were an Israeli father and son and neither are Palestinian.

Read more at: www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article300433159.html#storylink=cpy

Claremont Mon 17-Feb-25 10:04:12

We will all suffer from it. I am 74 and have had an amazing, very full and happy life. But I so fear for the next generation. Our grandchildren finishing school and some at University, with a whole life ahead of them and very aware of the dangers.

Babs03 Mon 17-Feb-25 09:56:34

I am truly sad that it has come to this. For Gaza. For Ukraine. Sovereignty and human lives obviously mean nothing now. And for this reason other countries need to beware, this inexorable rise of fascism will need to be guarded against. Trump, Bibi, Putin. A new world order indeed.
I may be over egging the pudding but I can actually see it happening in real time. And I fear those who bury their heads in the sand, as many did in the 1930s, will suffer for it.

Anniebach Mon 17-Feb-25 09:52:22

Law enforcement sources didn’t say whether or not the people shot were Palestinians, only that they’re visiting from Israel.

Seems no mention of Jews or Palestinians

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