Rachel Gives A Thumbs Up To The Third Runway

I think the runway is probably needed . The first thing she seems to be involved with that is actually useful. The very first thing where I think she is on the right ‘track’ ( or runway !)

I'm getting now.

Aren’t we all ? 😞

Oreo

Casdon

It’s not fake news, it’s what the opposition do, I think we’ve had this discussion before? We’re now seeing the opposition now opposing it, when as the last government they wanted it to go ahead. Call me a cynic.

That’s why they’re called the Opposition 🧐

Well I never!

But - doesn't the Opposition do the opposite to the previous government when they get elected?
Or do both sides change their minds when they are elected?

I'm getting now.

I don’t think it’s a case of ‘no market for small starter homes’. I think they are not being built because they are less profitable.

Casdon

It’s not fake news, it’s what the opposition do, I think we’ve had this discussion before? We’re now seeing the opposition now opposing it, when as the last government they wanted it to go ahead. Call me a cynic.

That’s why they’re called the Opposition 🧐

Here which is a fairly high house price area the new estates that are being built there is a good mix, single bed flats in terraces, 2 and 3 bed semis 4 bed detached, some for sale, some housing association, green areas all very attractively laid out. My wife’s son has one, we’ve spent a few nights dog sitting, very little to criticize.

If there were a good market for small starter homes developers would be building more of them wyllow, and no changes to the planning system are needed for that. Developers do build one-bed and studio flats and also two-bed houses, and there are plenty of small doer-uppers on the second hand market but people need mortgages to buy them and won’t get a loan if they haven’t got a sufficient deposit or don’t meet the affordability criteria. The continuing high (by recent standards) interest rates don’t help.

Allira

Oh no, it's true.

Sir Keir Starmer has refused to say whether he would back the expansion of Heathrow Airport after voting against a third runway in 2018.

The Prime Minister said would not be “comment on speculation” on the issue, as emphasised the government is “committed to growth” when asked about reports ministers could be set to approve major expansion plans at three London airports, according to Bloomberg
www.cityam.com/heathrow-starmer-wont-say-if-he-backs-london-airport-expansion/
22/1/25

But he’s not personally going to have the final say. I’m sure that they all vote on party lines, whatever their personal views, most of the time. When in opposition the personal views are stated more strongly, and the party line is to oppose whatever the government proposes. That’s my option anyway, based on what I’ve seen over the years.

Casdon

It’s not fake news, it’s what the opposition do, I think we’ve had this discussion before? We’re now seeing the opposition now opposing it, when as the last government they wanted it to go ahead. Call me a cynic.

That should be in capital letters as in twas ever thus.

But broadly speaking, policy is changed when factors are re-evaluated over time, I dont think that is in itself unreasonable.

I was doubtful and still am to some extent about the 3rd runway.

But one of the factors that has changed my mind in this very discussion, are the figures of the number of aircraft circling over the area for periods of time waiting to land, causing noise and air pollution on a very significant scale.

Barleyfields

Certain homes are desperately needed Wyllow. Not the private housing which developers are finding hard to sell (as I have an eye on moving, I have a serious Rightmove habit). What are really needed are public sector rentals, the equivalent of the old council houses. That won’t happen unless local authorities and housing associations are given funds to buy them. It certainly won’t be achieved by the government placing mandatory targets on all planning authorities or making changes to the planning system.

Well, we definitely need the social housing, but we also need small starter homes for the huge numbers of people trying to get onto the housing ladder in the first place in the private sector.

We can't do that without the changes in the planning system.

I realise it looks different depending where you are in the UK.

Oh no, it's true.

Sir Keir Starmer has refused to say whether he would back the expansion of Heathrow Airport after voting against a third runway in 2018.

The Prime Minister said would not be “comment on speculation” on the issue, as emphasised the government is “committed to growth” when asked about reports ministers could be set to approve major expansion plans at three London airports, according to Bloomberg
www.cityam.com/heathrow-starmer-wont-say-if-he-backs-london-airport-expansion/
22/1/25

Why on earth are we building new airport runways when we're all supposed to be concerned about our carbon footprints? Typical self-serving human lunacy.

It’s not fake news, it’s what the opposition do, I think we’ve had this discussion before? We’re now seeing the opposition now opposing it, when as the last government they wanted it to go ahead. Call me a cynic.

Casdon

Allira

Not to mention those whose homes are in the way of the third runway at Heathrow.
Never mind, Labour will move a few newts and bats off their habitat and built more homes and property for these people and businesses.

The thing is, whoever was in government this would be happening. The third runway at Heathrow has been on the cards for a number of years, it was always going to happen. What’s really important, particularly for England, is to make sure that the green spaces also increase, in both size and diversity. Some of that is already happening, with the National Forest for example.

I think someone posted this earlier in the thread but it's worth a reminder.

Or is that fake news?

Allira

Not to mention those whose homes are in the way of the third runway at Heathrow.
Never mind, Labour will move a few newts and bats off their habitat and built more homes and property for these people and businesses.

The thing is, whoever was in government this would be happening. The third runway at Heathrow has been on the cards for a number of years, it was always going to happen. What’s really important, particularly for England, is to make sure that the green spaces also increase, in both size and diversity. Some of that is already happening, with the National Forest for example.

Certain homes are desperately needed Wyllow. Not the private housing which developers are finding hard to sell (as I have an eye on moving, I have a serious Rightmove habit). What are really needed are public sector rentals, the equivalent of the old council houses. That won’t happen unless local authorities and housing associations are given funds to buy them. It certainly won’t be achieved by the government placing mandatory targets on all planning authorities or making changes to the planning system.

And again

Strawman argument.

It won't wash.

So you do think that it’s money well spent.

Wyllow3

It seems to me you just cant please everyone. Homes are desperately needed, people complain, yet when it comes to building them (once you have used up possible brownfield sites) they object to them being built. (taking into consideration infrastructure needs for larger developments of course).
We cant just leave things as they are.

It’s nimbyism, as soon as residents have built their own extensions, thats it, nothing else must change.

Selfish to the end.

It seems to me you just cant please everyone. Homes are desperately needed, people complain, yet when it comes to building them (once you have used up possible brownfield sites) they object to them being built. (taking into consideration infrastructure needs for larger developments of course).
We cant just leave things as they are.

David49

Allira

There is more than one species of bats and newts, some rarer than others.

Never mind, when humans have driven wildlife off their habits in their drive to build more and more, to kill each other and the eco system collapses, himans won't be the first species to become extinct and we won't be the last.

Which species will be left to take over the Earth, I wonder? Ants? Cockroaches?

So you think £100m spent to help bats in one HS2 tunnel is well spent

Strawman argument.

It won't wash.

Did I say that?

I don't think I did.

Allira

There is more than one species of bats and newts, some rarer than others.

Never mind, when humans have driven wildlife off their habits in their drive to build more and more, to kill each other and the eco system collapses, himans won't be the first species to become extinct and we won't be the last.

Which species will be left to take over the Earth, I wonder? Ants? Cockroaches?

So you think £100m spent to help bats in one HS2 tunnel is well spent

There is more than one species of bats and newts, some rarer than others.

Never mind, when humans have driven wildlife off their habits in their drive to build more and more, to kill each other and the eco system collapses, himans won't be the first species to become extinct and we won't be the last.

Which species will be left to take over the Earth, I wonder? Ants? Cockroaches?

Allira

Not to mention those whose homes are in the way of the third runway at Heathrow.
Never mind, Labour will move a few newts and bats off their habitat and built more homes and property for these people and businesses.

It’s amazing, bats and newts are said to be rare and endangered, yet on every development from a barn to HS2, every site they are found, they are not rare the just havn’t been found because most don’t look for them.