Is That All That Marianne Faithfull.....

Personally I didn't like that, hours after her death, a woman who made a lifelong career from music was described as a 'rock chick'. She was a musician, not a hanger-on.

She had a tragic life, sadly. Her talent was exploited by those she trusted. She needs to rest in peace now.

There was a good piece about her on the news. It only mentioned Jagger.

I went to school with her. Marianne, my sister and I all joined the school as boarders in summer 1955. She was 4 years younger than me.

She was clever, talented and pretty, but, even as a child knew how her looks could be used to get her way with adults. She was not that popular with other children.

However, if any of you saw the episode of 'Who do you think you are' she was on, which concentrated on the experiences of her mother and her family in Vienna during WW2 and what her half-Jewish mother and Jewish grandmother suffered, it explained and laid bare Marianne's troubled background.

Marianne was strong willed and determined, I have never seen her as anyone's victim. Her liaison with Mick Jagger, made her career. Without him, she would not have made the career she had. She said herself that she had sex with three of the Stones but hit on Mick because she reckoned he was the one most likely to hit the headlines, and she was right.

It is sad that the clever, pretty talented girl, as she was, had such a car crash life, when she could have achieved so much but if she is a victim, it is a victim of her family history, not her boyfriends. But the family history that made her a victim also made her a survivor

RIP to a beautiful lady.

How interesting M0nica. I'm afraid she lived at a time when so many women's fame, fortune and status hinged almost entirely on men. Obviously I don't know for sure, but I rather suspect that she wouldn't have wanted or needed to "sleep her way to the top" in today's world. As you say, she was strong willed and determined. Having said that, the MeToo movement is proving that things haven't really changed that much for women.

Thank you M0nica for that very interesting post about Marianne.

I see there are 3 threads about Marianne

flappergirll She started at the top. The Rolling Stones manager met her at a party and got her career started. Her first record was of a song written and rejected by the Stones.

It was the early 1960s, sex, drugs and rock and roll, she was part of a culture. I hate to say this, but I wonder whether she would have had any more career than several other female singers of her period, pretty girls with blonde hair and big eyes and one hit (wasn't their a singer like her called Twinkle or some such),

If she had not had the luck to start as a the right vehicle for a Stones song, I doubt she would have got anywhere as a singer. Her voice was never that good..

But, as I said, she was clever, and talented and I am sure that without the Stones ever coming into her life she would have made a successful career elsewhere. As it was she made the most of the advantages she was offered.

Thank you MOnica a very interesting post. I have read that later, in the 1970s when she fell on hard times, she got little help from her previous associates who were extremely well off by then.

I don’t know about anybody else, but what I chiefly remember her for is that one song.

A tragic life in many ways, especially the period of heroine addiction, but she pulled back from it and carried on with her career in music. A strong lady.

Twinkle. I'd forgotten all about her. I was obsessed with the song, Twinkle.

There is a really full article on the BBC News page but it is hidden away.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9dynd605x0o

RIP Marianne

Chardy

Personally I didn't like that, hours after her death, a woman who made a lifelong career from music was described as a 'rock chick'. She was a musician, not a hanger-on.

That was me and I stand by what I said.

Her profile was raised by her relationship with Mick Jagger and her subsequent behaviour, especially the drug taking, seemed to result from that.

Thank you MOnica. Interesting to know more about Marianne’s background.

If she hadn’t been Mick Jagger’s girlfriend, I think she would have disappeared without trace.

She had a fragile, doe eyed beauty, the convent girl background, but her singing was not that great if we’re being honest.

‘As Tears Go By’ was just right for the times, as was she.

M0nica

I went to school with her. Marianne, my sister and I all joined the school as boarders in summer 1955. She was 4 years younger than me.

She was clever, talented and pretty, but, even as a child knew how her looks could be used to get her way with adults. She was not that popular with other children.

However, if any of you saw the episode of 'Who do you think you are' she was on, which concentrated on the experiences of her mother and her family in Vienna during WW2 and what her half-Jewish mother and Jewish grandmother suffered, it explained and laid bare Marianne's troubled background.

Marianne was strong willed and determined, I have never seen her as anyone's victim. Her liaison with Mick Jagger, made her career. Without him, she would not have made the career she had. She said herself that she had sex with three of the Stones but hit on Mick because she reckoned he was the one most likely to hit the headlines, and she was right.

It is sad that the clever, pretty talented girl, as she was, had such a car crash life, when she could have achieved so much but if she is a victim, it is a victim of her family history, not her boyfriends. But the family history that made her a victim also made her a survivor

I occasionally played with her as a child when she stayed with relatives who were neighbours. She was fun as a child and I loved being with her. RIP Marianne

Rula

Twinkle. I'd forgotten all about her. I was obsessed with the song, Twinkle.

Twinkle's one hit wonder was called 'Terry'.

I’ve always struggled with understanding how famous people manage to have high profile relationships when they have small children. My children were my whole world and I could never have fitted in having romantic affairs with people ( not that there was the remotest chance of that happening).

Part of the Swinging Sixties. RIP Marianne.

Thank you M0nica for an interesting post.

Marianne's album 'Broken English' is really good and worth listening to, if any of you haven't heard it.

Oh thank you, Nano14 !

I was so excited at the memory I totally confused myself!