Where is the celebration?

Galaxy I would guess many of the people I work with would be considered 'uneducated', they of course are the same people who five minutes ago in the pandemic were considered heroes and certainly much more essential than many academics.

Oh and as someone who has watched the 'educated' swallow complete nonsense over the last few years, I am not sure I trust the educated so much anymore.

I couldn't agree more with both of these posts! I often commented during the pandemic how telling it was that it was (by and large) the lowest paid members of our society that weren't furloughed or able to work from home, but expected to carry on as normal, even when it exposed them to the virus the rest of us were being shielded from.
As for the so called educated classes that have swallowed and constantly regurgitate a smorgasbord of BS, I have a bridge to sell to them. From the amount of 'no platforming' being reported from our universities I conclude that free independent thought and having your pre-conceptions challenged is no longer encouraged.

I felt sympathy for the USA voters, I couldn't have cast my vote for either candidate.

Yes I wouldnt have voted trump but I wouldnt have voted Democrat either.

All I can say is, if I were an American facing the last recent election, I wouldn't have voted for either candidate or by extension their parties. Previously, hypothetically I'd have loosely aligned with the Democrats until utter nonsense became enshrined. What an abysmal choice, a President who clearly had dementia, which of course was denied until it wasn't, a Vice President whose policies were vague and who was given to manical cackling as a way of obfuscation. Kind of a rock and a hard place with or without a certain level of education me thinks and yes I concur with Alira, you've provided somewhat anecdotal evidence.

This all sounds like academic snobbery.

So your evidence is purely anecdotal, based on observations about your own uneducated family.

Galaxy

And it is that 'uneducated' rhetoric that in this country we should not imitate. It is the most ineffective political strategy I have ever seen.

It is exactly that . My cousins who were not well educated voted for Trump other family members who are university educated did not . Trump was known to talk down to his supporters because he knew they liked that . Sadly , it will be these exact people who will economically suffer . Sometimes, it is that simple .

the far right are gaining ground
the far right is gaining ground.

I wouldn't want to be thought of as uneducated 😯

GrannyGravy13

TerriBull your post would be funny if it wasn’t true.

Not just in the US but here in the UK too.

Perhaps that is why the far right are gaining ground in Europe as well.

TerriBull
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TerriBull your post would be funny if it wasn’t true.

Uneducated? or possibly left behind, ignored, irrelevant, marginalised. Of late generally being non compliant in the way they are expected to cast their vote, possibly because the party that was supposed to represent them. the blue collar/ working class demographic, have now morphed into something else altogether. Driven along by a whole new range of niche policies and ideologies pervading various walks of life but not resonating with vast swathes of the electorate. These latter day renegades can now be neatly packaged up under the all encompassing " basket of deplorables" which of course includes an overwhelming sub strata of "uneducated". We know this because people who are much cleverer than them tell them so and they're right! Not right as in "far right" because that's what the "deplorables" are. No the right people are the educated ones and they're right about the people who are wrong and they are wrong because they are persuaded by the right. It all makes pefect sense!

Galaxy

Oh and as someone who has watched the 'educated' swallow complete nonsense over the last few years, I am not sure I trust the educated so much anymore.

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Common sense normally comes out okay

Oh and as someone who has watched the 'educated' swallow complete nonsense over the last few years, I am not sure I trust the educated so much anymore.

AGAA4

Yes Syracuteit is the American people who will suffer the cost of Trump's tariffs. The Canadian PM has said there will be retribution. Trump is coming after Europe next but all these countries will just add the tariff to the cost of their goods and Americans will pay.

I can see trouble ahead.
The next few years could be chaotic. The eyes of the world will be on the USA and some countries will be looking to take an advantage.

Because a lot of Americans are not very well educated
Oh dear, I wonder how your fellow Americans feel about you calling a lot of them not very well educated.
Do you mean the education system there is poor or do you think they are just not very bright?
Or do you believe anyone who disagrees with your views is stupid?

I would guess many of the people I work with would be considered 'uneducated', they of course are the same people who five minutes ago in the pandemic were considered heroes and certainly much more essential than many academics.

Watching the election in the US , it felt very similar to the situation in the UK in one way.
People, whether posters insult them as uneducated or laud them as educated, were unhappy with the government in power, so they voted for the opposite party.
I can’t say I support Trump,
but the claims that he is doing things that affect some of the population badly has a familiar ring.

Galaxy

And it is that 'uneducated' rhetoric that in this country we should not imitate. It is the most ineffective political strategy I have ever seen.

It’s also an easy and lazy way to insult those who used their democratic right to vote for a party that doesn’t support your values.

If you tell a certain demographic they are uneducated it can only harm society.

I really find it hard to believe that all who voted for POTUS Trump were not very well educated as Syracute alleges.

And it is that 'uneducated' rhetoric that in this country we should not imitate. It is the most ineffective political strategy I have ever seen.

GrannyGravy13

escaped my vote leave X had nothing to do with immigration.

I was happy with the common market but didn’t want to be part of a United States of Europe.

Exactly this!

Yes Syracuteit is the American people who will suffer the cost of Trump's tariffs. The Canadian PM has said there will be retribution. Trump is coming after Europe next but all these countries will just add the tariff to the cost of their goods and Americans will pay.

Allira

Most of us do not agree with or like Trump but this constant attack on a poster who is entitled to express her support of Trump is a worrying trend.

Many Americans did vote for him. Perhaps, as an American, you can explain why, Syracute.

Because a lot of Americans are not very well educated and were easily swept up with his populist views . Sadly, they believed his ugly rhetoric that promised the moon and the stars economically but at the rate he is going with his tariffs they will see very soon that they were bamboozled .

It’s true that the EU Bureaucracy was getting too big for its boots with France and Germany calling the shots so I do understand people voting for that reason.
I don’t think anyone voted Leave to simply have a better economy, they thought, from all that was said at the time, that the reason to be free of the EU was to ‘plough our own furrow’
Stop paying billions to the EU and make other trade deals.
I was sympathetic to the view but felt cautious about voting to actually do it.Family and friends, neighbours and colleagues all voted in different ways as they thought fit.

Another leave voter here. Neither stupid nor uninformed.
Many reasons, mostly outlined on this thread by Terribull, Escaped, GGravy and other sensible and informed posters.
I don’t agree with FGTs support of Farage or Trump but do agree with much of what she says regarding Brexit.
I do not regret my vote, nor do my four sons and their respective wives/partners.

Rosie51

Syracute

I didn’t call her a name if you read the post correctly . Her posts are more than insulting they are dangerous in her blind support of Trump . His latest stupidity is to move to close down the television station that created Sesame Street and many other worthy TV programs.

I really don't see how FGT's support of Trump can have any impact on the world, let alone be dangerous. She can't vote for him and I don't think she's in a position to give him financial backing. I agree he's a danger to the world, I don't think FGT is in such a powerful position. Your quarrel is with your fellow Americans who voted for him.

Well said, Rosie51
Reading some posts, you'd think FGT2 was a fifth columnist.

I've said previously, if Gransnet was full of nodding dogs it would become really boring.
And that could be a dangerous route to take too.
Oh Yes!