Truly shocking - Boy, 15, dies after stabbing this lunchtime at a school in Sheffield.

Parents have to take some of the responsibility rather than leaving it to other people, which is what they'd rather do. Parents need to educate their children, beginning at a young age rather than leave it to someone else. Schools should educate children at a young age. Knives are easy to buy online which doesn't help. It could be worse, it could be gun crime such as they have in the US.

Freya it's more than upset as you sarcastically put it, these black youngsters feel harassed, there are examples of this, one was quite shocking, and as my partner said "Those who feels it knows it" I agree with BAME on this.
I am no bleeding heart, if anyone is caught with a knife of any age they should feel the full force of the law, but I just don't agree with stop and search fur the reasons I have stated.

Barleyfields you stated black and brown are not the only ones stopped, but they are the majority, my partner has witnessed this. Until this stops I will not support stop and search.

I am desperatly sorry for this child's parents, I have a year 7 just 12 year old Grandson myself.

rafichagran

Barleyfields

Isn’t it worth it to save lives rafichagran?

Of course I want to save lives, but a whole group of people should not be discriminated against to do this. I don't see how you can justify the upset of these kids.

Awe upset, what a shame. All people are subject to stop and search, not age restricted, if the officer suspects they may be carrying a hidden weapon.
If it saves lives what is the problem, have you ever been subject to a search at the airport, believe me it is not pleasant. It is necessary. To save lives.

At my boy's school, if they were seen with a phone, it was confiscated until the end of the day, when a parent had to go and collect it.

The point is that families can have quite tight work schedules, and not finish until late.

I agree, both families suffered a huge loss. I think our young people are scared. They think a knife will protect them. What a sad state of affairs for our bright young people.

Where mobile phones are concerned, they are banned in France in school up to age 16 (?) I think.
The general idea, Macron said, is that by "pausing" an adolescent's usage of a mobile during the day, they are somehow less dependent on it, or less obsessed with it generally.

It truly is GrannyGravy.

LizzieDrip

What have we become😢

I know it really is soul destroying, rather like a dystopian nightmare.

What have we become😢

Pupils with smart phones I assume are sharing what images they have, only takes one to go rogue and upload to social media.

LizzieDrip

^”Parents and pupils of the school have put his picture up on social media platforms”^

What, they have posted pictures of the stabber? Surely not

Unfortunately yes.

There is allegedly a video of the stabbing, I haven’t looked for it nor have any intention of doing so.

Parents and pupils of the school have put his picture up on social media platforms”

If this is true it could severely prejudice the trial. His lawyers would have a hey day

”After what happened in Southport I’m wary, it’s not wise to accept social media posts as true. If that is where it came from, I don’t think we should be repeating it until it’s officially confirmed”

Absolutely agree Casdon, which is why I asked the question of a previous poster.

I’m not on any other SM platforms so am not aware of what’s doing the rounds - and don’t want to be.

I’d be very shocked if photographs of the alleged perpetrator have been posted on SM.

We should let justice take its course.

”Parents and pupils of the school have put his picture up on social media platforms”

What, they have posted pictures of the stabber? Surely not

Casdon

After what happened in Southport I’m wary, it’s not wise to accept social media posts as true. If that is where it came from, I don’t think we should be repeating it until it’s officially confirmed.

I agree, which is why I haven’t posted any more details of what is doing the rounds on social media.

After what happened in Southport I’m wary, it’s not wise to accept social media posts as true. If that is where it came from, I don’t think we should be repeating it until it’s officially confirmed.

These horrific happenings seem to be becoming almost every day events.
When I was early years secondary school there was a murder in the city I lived and it was a huge event, everybody talked about it for weeks and it was truly shocking. What happened?

LizzieDrip

karmalady could you tell us how you know this information?

Parents and pupils of the school have put his picture up on social media platforms.

Not sure he is Albanian though.

Jaxjacky

Also in the news from Wales a 14 year old girl is found guilty of attempted murder, two members of school staff last year.
Do all schools now need scanners at entrance points with security staff?

It might be useful in detecting a couple of knives, but it won't stop the problem.

What is needed is a commitee of teachers, psycologists , police, lawyers and people who work with young offenders, plus some parents, and some really good people who work in advertising.

Steps have to be taken now, to make children aware that fighting, whether by using their fists and feet or weapons is not the way to solve problems, to make parents aware of the dangers of not teaching their children this, and to give teachers the tools to teach this and to deal with the first small signs of violence or bullying.

Punishing a 14 year old for killing anyone is n ot going to do a lot of good, and will almost certainly ruin the 14 year old's life, but he cannot just be told he has been a bad boy and sent back to school, either.

Remove the boy from the parents who have failed so singularly at bringing him up, send them to prision if you like. Doing so, might just make other parents wake up to the responsibility they have to either bring their children up well, or to seek help if they cannot (not all children are innocent little angels, or all parents uncaring.)

karmalady could you tell us how you know this information?

My daughter went to a private day school and in 2004 came home with 8 small knives, mostly pen knives, and gave them to me. She had taken them from other pupils bags secretly so they didn't get in trouble. She was 12 at the time. Knives in schools have been there for many years. I was so proud of her.

Someone posted this earlier I don't think that children are intrinsically any different from years ago, nor families - there have always been negligent parents.

While I agree there have always been negligent parents, I think this has increased.
We have younger parents, quite often with little or no support around them - to quote a friend "babies having babies".
As I've said many times here, my work is in Criminal Justice and I visit Youth Courts...you wouldn't believe the number of times we hear "he/she is 14 / 15 I can't tell them what to do" or any other number of excuses.
In an area close to me, it's often reported that groups of young people are trying car doors, causing damage or guilty of anti social behaviour - these are all in their early teens.

Society gets the criminals it deserves and I honestly believe that we have created a society in which these individuals thrive - nobody has said no to them, they have little morality and will take what they want - with force if necessary.

Albanian boy stabber, previously been caught with a knife at the school

I've said this before on here

In my opinion this goes back to lack of discipline/boundaries in nursery

Mr Blair introduced nvq in childcare and slowly did away with NNEB back in the 90s.

Instead of training full time for 2 years, young girls (or people of any age) could attend college one evening a week for 6 months and then start work in nursery/school etc, supposedly equivalent to NNEB nursery nurse qualification

Then a few years later nursery staff were no longer allowed to use "a big voice" or say "no" or use the "thinking step/mat/chair". Unacceptable behaviour such as punching, biting, pinching, spitting, kicking other children or nursery staff had to be dealt with by saying "oh we don't do that to our friends "

I'm certainly not saying we should be screaming and shouting and young children at such a young age but I think our poor teenagers now not safe in their own schools have proven Mr Blair and the child care behaviour experts have perhaps got it wrong

Just listened to an item on this on radio 2 and quite a few teachers joined in, oh my word, no wonder so many teachers are leaving

Children need discipline, boundaries and love NOT knives