Truly shocking - Boy, 15, dies after stabbing this lunchtime at a school in Sheffield.

CCTV cameras sounds a great idea. I hope the parents keep pressing for them.

I worry about my grandchildren’s route to school. They have to walk via a park (or take a much longer way which would put 20 minutes on their walk).

At least 400 children aged 11 -18 walk this path twice a day. In 2024 there was a machete attack and three bikes stolen by a local gang. No one was stabbed luckily just threatened but one pupil fought back and suffered a broken risk. The West Midlands where we live is a hot bed of knife crime.

Parents have asked for a CCTV camera to cover the area. The District Council says it’s not needed. This is the attitude that makes me mad.

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We have to be realistic about how much the police can do. Operate checks at all schools? stop and search thousands? Just recently GN decided that not enough police resources were being spent on child abuse/gangs/follow ups with SSD on individual children at risk.
Reality is they can only act in a targeted way.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Well the good kids have nothing to worry about do they?
I’d rather stop 500 kids randomly, maybe find 5 zombie knives than have one more dead child. And dead children come in all colours.

Well why don't they stop 500 white kids? White kids carry knives, white kids die and white kids kill. If you want to reduce knife crime with stop and search then search them all.

*Allira, if that was to happen, I would not feel like I do, but as MissAdventure states racism needs to be addressed once and for all. I am sorry I don't feel that would happen anytime soon, so no I do not support it.

The Police can stop and search anyway if they believe that a crime has been committed.

I support stop and search but racism within the police force needs to be adressed once and for all.

rafichagran

"there were 24.5 stop and searches for every 1,000 black people, and 5.9 for every 1,000 white people"
The above information was from gov.co.uk, so no I will not support stop and search, these figures show racial profiling and unfairness.

And if they address that imbalance, how would you feel about stop and search then? Perhaps using a metal detecting device.

Barleyfields

So you’re happy to see kids carrying knives and stabbing one another then, rather than cause upset. I hope you can live with that.

Absolute bullshit, I am not happy for any young person to be killed, if anyone regardless of age or ethnicity is found to have a knife they should be punished.
What I do not like is the Police having powers to stop and search anyone, as the stats show black youth will be disproportionately targeted.

I can live with myself thankyou, oh and my partner has seen where black kids have been unfairly targeted.
What I could not live with is your ignorance on racism.

So you’re happy to see kids carrying knives and stabbing one another then, rather than cause upset. I hope you can live with that.

"there were 24.5 stop and searches for every 1,000 black people, and 5.9 for every 1,000 white people"
The above information was from gov.co.uk, so no I will not support stop and search, these figures show racial profiling and unfairness.

I support stop & search as an emergency measure, given how many young people have died.
Surely among the copious "paperwork" police officers do nowadays there are their "stop & search" records? I would be suprised if they didn't have to record ethnicity, but for this info to be useful (eg are there particular officers disproportionately stopping black boys?) the searchee would have to give the info, & they can refuse.

What a good idea.

A relatively small point but yearsnago when I lived abroad any child who commited a crime under the age of 18 had to be accompanied to court by their parents. No if or buts the parent stood alongside the child and was questioned about their supervision, parenting methods etc.
Went some way I think to ensuring that parents took responsibility for their children.

Well the good kids have nothing to worry about do they?
I’d rather stop 500 kids randomly, maybe find 5 zombie knives than have one more dead child. And dead children come in all colours.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Stop and search all the way for me.
I don’t give a toss about hurt feelings/profiling.
Better than hurt or dead boys.

Can't say I'm surprised at that remark, these are black kids that are profiled and they are stopped and searched in a disproportionate way.

Stop and search all the way for me.
I don’t give a toss about hurt feelings/profiling.
Better than hurt or dead boys.

petra

eazybee

Lack of sanctions, lack of punishment; endless excuses and blaming everyone other than the perpetrator.
Complete lack of respect for authority.
Children unsupervised during covid, when most adults were off work or working from home?

I’m always amused when people assume that because they live in a naice ( majority white ) town that they are somehow a million miles away from drugs.
These places are a Mecca for those dealing the white stuff.

Or the nice middleclass villages where teenagers suddenly develop a love for ice cream from the icecream man in his van, when there's probably plenty at home in the freezer. I don't think it was coke but whatever it was certainly brought a new meaning to vanilla with a flake.

Yes, it's usually the nice areas where the coke dealers operate.

I know one who lives in a converted barn, with a little lake, in a beautiful area.

His wife is an nhs manager, and they both drive nice cars, and privately educate their children.

Zombie knives are already banned tictacnana. That doesn’t mean they aren’t circulating. They look a lot more dangerous than kitchen knives to me, they are designed to kill.

eazybee

Lack of sanctions, lack of punishment; endless excuses and blaming everyone other than the perpetrator.
Complete lack of respect for authority.
Children unsupervised during covid, when most adults were off work or working from home?

I’m always amused when people assume that because they live in a naice ( majority white ) town that they are somehow a million miles away from drugs.
These places are a Mecca for those dealing the white stuff.

They’re going to ban Zombie knives . How will that solve the problem ? A kitchen knife will do the same job. Maybe harsh penalties for the parents of the perpetrators will make a difference. I’m sure my grandchildren wouldn’t be able to have weapons amongst their belongings. Their parents are too savvy . I know I couldn’t have got anything like that past my mum and Dad. I think that a lot of parents these days are too wrapped up in their own ‘issues’ to take any note of what their children are doing. A hefty fine for them being found out and about carrying a weapon would stir them into taking some sort of responsibility. Also, more Stop and Search .

GrannyGravy13

Barleyfields

At present the police have to have ‘reasonable suspicion’ in order to stop and search rafichagran. I fear you are biased. White kids are stopped too but that gets little publicity. Maybe if kids of all colours didn’t hang around aimlessly, hoods and sometimes balaclavas concealing their identities, they wouldn’t be stopped so frequently.

My blue eyed blond son was stopped and searched on more than one occasion.

No one is saying blond blue eyed boys don't get stopped, they are saying the number of black and brown kids getting stopped is disproportionate. I think for some officers being black or brown is suspicion enough.

Barleyfields

At present the police have to have ‘reasonable suspicion’ in order to stop and search rafichagran. I fear you are biased. White kids are stopped too but that gets little publicity. Maybe if kids of all colours didn’t hang around aimlessly, hoods and sometimes balaclavas concealing their identities, they wouldn’t be stopped so frequently.

My blue eyed blond son was stopped and searched on more than one occasion.

At present the police have to have ‘reasonable suspicion’ in order to stop and search rafichagran. I fear you are biased. White kids are stopped too but that gets little publicity. Maybe if kids of all colours didn’t hang around aimlessly, hoods and sometimes balaclavas concealing their identities, they wouldn’t be stopped so frequently.