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Trump has been busy with his plan for Gaza!

(133 Posts)
Sago Wed 05-Feb-25 07:44:05

So Gaza is going to become the new Riviera.

It’s a crazy plan but nothing else has worked.

Wyllow3 Thu 06-Feb-25 18:32:17

meddijess

The Palestinians voted for Hamas, and have shown no signs of ending their support for them. Hamas are vile and have no respect for human life, especially Jewish life. Why would Israel want them to continue to live in Gaza? Other Arab countries do not want Palestinians - that is the main problem, and I cannot see how Trump's plan can work.

I feel there are possibly a large number of Palestinians, after what has happened, who are not happy with Hamas, but who could come out and say so?

There are great dangers in conflating being Palestinian with being Hamas, as you appear to be

Hamas are vile
All Palestinians support them
Therefore all Palestinians are vile?

Why should they continue to live in Gaza?

Its their home.

Claremont Thu 06-Feb-25 18:15:14

Both ways! One just smirked more than even the other.

RSALLAN2002 Thu 06-Feb-25 17:34:58

Netanyahu seemed to me like ventriloquist Trump's dummy when they appeared together. Or was it the other way round?

meddijess Thu 06-Feb-25 17:11:57

The Palestinians voted for Hamas, and have shown no signs of ending their support for them. Hamas are vile and have no respect for human life, especially Jewish life. Why would Israel want them to continue to live in Gaza? Other Arab countries do not want Palestinians - that is the main problem, and I cannot see how Trump's plan can work.

Claremont Wed 05-Feb-25 21:03:25

Orthodox Jews are NOT a 'sect'.

Many Christians are also consciencious objectors- because of this is what the Bible has taught them.

Wyllow3 Wed 05-Feb-25 20:53:35

People in Israel may have a range of views as expressed above,

but the relevant point here is that Netanyahu stood next to Trump last night,
and as things stand atm, supported the plan for the forcible removal of Palestinians from Gaza.

That is ethnic cleansing.

Backed by, in addition

" Far-right Israeli minister commends Trump's Gaza plan".

“Israel’s far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich commended a plan presented by United States President Donald Trump to remove Palestinians from Gaza and take ownership of the strip”

From CNN's Michael Schwartz and Mostafa Salem)

Oreo Wed 05-Feb-25 20:16:25

It would indeed petra
Maybe they can help rebuild Gaza instead.The fact is that particular sect want it all, but from the comfort of the sofa.

petra Wed 05-Feb-25 20:11:24

Whitewavemark2

This

That would be the sect who want their country defended but refuse to do national service.

Oreo Wed 05-Feb-25 20:00:49

It can’t just be rebuilt while hamas are still there.

Oreo Wed 05-Feb-25 19:59:09

Whitewavemark2 Am highly tempted to just say So? And leave it at that, but you can’t just say ‘ here is a person who doesn’t support BN and the Israeli Government’ because of course there are many who don’t but not the majority of Jews in Israel.They are surrounded by enemies and will fight to preserve their country, whatever it takes.BN has never been universally popular but was still voted in ( and yes I know about Israeli politics so don’t need a googled lecture).
People (Jews) are as diverse as anyone else in their opinions but all sympathise with the atrocities meted out by hamas Palestinians and their supporters and realise that there had to be dire consequences for Gaza even if they disagree about how
the IDF should have gone about it.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Wed 05-Feb-25 19:59:02

Trouble is, it’ll get built up then it’ll get knocked down again.
They don’t get on.

silverlining48 Wed 05-Feb-25 19:56:38

Of course they must be enabled to re build their broken homes. You ask who picks up the bill, well clearly they can’t so they will need help, just as Germany needed help after the war. The majority of any people whoever they are, want to live in peace and deserve to feel safe.
As for relying on aid, they were mainly self sufficient in food but much else has to come in via the border gates controlled by Israel. There is no freedom of movement everything is controlled by Israel.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 05-Feb-25 19:49:15

Oreo

Whitewavemark2

This

Oh yeah! All three of them.

A year ago

Jared Kushner: "Gaza's waterfront property, it could be very valuable... But I think from Israel's perspective I would do my best to move the people out and then clean it up"

Whitewavemark2 Wed 05-Feb-25 19:44:00

More footage showing

Holocaust child survivor Jewish Agnes Kory speaks at the Polish embassy on Holocaust Memorial Day and she demands from Poland to arrest war criminal 𝒈𝒆𝒏𝒐𝒄𝒊𝒅𝒆𝒓 Netanyahu if he comes

Oreo Wed 05-Feb-25 19:41:35

Whitewavemark2

This

Oh yeah! All three of them.

Lucyd Wed 05-Feb-25 19:39:08

Trump is totally deranged but he is the leader of the most powerful nation in the free world which is truly terrifying. Many times when he comes out with these rants I honestly think I am mishearing what is being said - make Canada part of the USA, turn Gaza into a Riviera, etc. Yet millions of US citizens voted for him and believe in what he says (or at least some of what he says). Gaza may well be bombed and flattened but to the Palestinians it is their homeland. If someone bombed Scotland and suggested I was moved somewhere while my country was taken over else I would be saying "no way ".

Whitewavemark2 Wed 05-Feb-25 19:38:44

This

Whitewavemark2 Wed 05-Feb-25 19:35:40

Have a look at the footage of hundreds of Jews protesting outside of the WH . Jews burning the Israeli flag.

Netanyahu certainly does not have the support of the majority of Jews, even in Israel.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Wed 05-Feb-25 19:31:39

Just viewpoints foxie48

JWS ‘spoke to one friend in Gaza’
and
Quote Claremont Wed 05-Feb-25 17:11:35 gave us:
‘The view of an Israeli Jew’

All anecdotal stuff I suppose.

Oreo Wed 05-Feb-25 19:24:10

The question is still there, where are two million of them going to live while Gaza is levelled and rebuilt?

Oreo Wed 05-Feb-25 19:22:42

Starmer is being a politician, don’t get too excited.

Oreo Wed 05-Feb-25 19:21:31

They must be allowed to rebuild? Who are they? They, the Palestinians in Gaza rely on aid for everything so who picks up the bill?

Whitewavemark2 Wed 05-Feb-25 19:21:07

Thank goodness for a leader who believes in the rule of law

Whitewavemark2 Wed 05-Feb-25 19:19:59

Claremont

This is exactly what YOU wrote, and quoted yourself above. YOU wrote

Most Israeli Jews - how can YOU say it- what evidence do YOU have!

Correct😊

Starmer today on Gaza

They must be allowed home. They must be allowed to rebuild. And we should be with them in that rebuild, on the way to a two state solution

Oreo Wed 05-Feb-25 19:19:49

I expect I know more than you as I’m Jewish.You just bring random ‘friends’ into the mix.