Trump has been busy with his plan for Gaza!

This is exactly what YOU wrote, and quoted yourself above. YOU wrote

Most Israeli Jews - how can YOU say it- what evidence do YOU have!

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Claremont

Oreo

Which Israeli Jew said that?
Most Israeli Jews are concerned with getting hostages back and making sure another 7/Oct/ 23 can never happen again, as are all the English Jews I know, family and friends.

I have his name, I have my friends names- I won't share them to you.

You are so so mistaken, most Jews, and most Israeli Jews do NOT support Netanyahu, fear for their future because of his action and deliberate genocide, and are so distraught and ashamed by his actions and Trump's support. Totally.

Correct in one - again😊

😄No not correct at all, or maybe in your own view.
Claremont cannot say ‘most Jews and most Israeli Jews, that’s just laughable frankly.

Yes I remember it well Babs. Yasser Arafat had the biggest smile. Then Rabin the Israeli PM was murdered shortly after thar by a far right Israeli

silverlining48

To refer the OP comment ‘nothing else has worked’

But nothing has been tried. The much talked about two state solution is the only one I can think of and that got nowhere. Mainly because Israel never wanted it.

Israel might have wanted it once, when Yitzhak Rabin was PM and he signed the Oslo Peace Accord in September 1993 with Yasser Arafat. As was reported in the Guardian when Rabin was assassinated by a far right Israeli - much like the government is made up of today -

'The road to Yitzhak Rabin’s assassination began in Oslo. It was there that two teams of negotiators, Palestinian and Israeli, met in secret, gradually forging the Oslo accords, sealed in September 1993 by a handshake on the White House lawn between Rabin and the Palestinian leader, Yasser Arafat. Rabin delivered the ceremony’s most memorable line: “We say to you today in a loud and a clear voice: enough of blood and tears. Enough.”

A massive opportunity was wasted right there.
Now am not sure peace can ever be achieved, too much bloodshed, too much rage, too much desire for revenge.

Iam64

I’m genuinely unnerved by the latest comments from the Potus. How can he conclude he has the right to tell the people of Palestine what’s best for them. Gaza is indeed in need of rebuilding, as was much of Europe after the last attempt at wiping people out.
It was recognised that Germany needed help. It needed to rebuild its cities and its society. So that’s what the allies set out to do, in communication and consensus with the German people. They’d voted Hitler in for reasons well understood and accepted now.
The parallels with Hamas and Palestine are obvious. The Palestinian people voted Hamas - Trump’s plans will recruit more to Hamas.
It’s terrrifying

Well said.

I’m genuinely unnerved by the latest comments from the Potus. How can he conclude he has the right to tell the people of Palestine what’s best for them. Gaza is indeed in need of rebuilding, as was much of Europe after the last attempt at wiping people out.
It was recognised that Germany needed help. It needed to rebuild its cities and its society. So that’s what the allies set out to do, in communication and consensus with the German people. They’d voted Hitler in for reasons well understood and accepted now.
The parallels with Hamas and Palestine are obvious. The Palestinian people voted Hamas - Trump’s plans will recruit more to Hamas.
It’s terrrifying

To refer the OP comment ‘nothing else has worked’

But nothing has been tried. The much talked about two state solution is the only one I can think of and that got nowhere. Mainly because Israel never wanted it.

SpringyChicken

He could make Gaza great again. There could be a golf course and a casino, maybe a theme park. Palestinians could be convenient shipped out of their homeland and Israel could continue to build homes for settlers without interference. It would be wonderful. And following the land grab of Greenland and Canada (nice lot of untapped natural resources there), there would be 53 states in America.

I could just see him saying that as I was reading your post, SpringyChicken. I laughed because the idea is so ridiculous but it is not at all funny.

"We're rounding 'em up in a very humane way, in a very nice way. And they're going to be happy"

"Make Gaza Great Again - the phrase, that was mine, I came up with it about a year ago, and I kept using it, and everybody's using it, they are all loving it. I don't know, I guess I should copyright it, maybe I have copyrighted it."

(I used a little poetic licence)

Honestly, it is horrendous. How could people have voted for this person?

Claremont

Oreo

Which Israeli Jew said that?
Most Israeli Jews are concerned with getting hostages back and making sure another 7/Oct/ 23 can never happen again, as are all the English Jews I know, family and friends.

I have his name, I have my friends names- I won't share them to you.

You are so so mistaken, most Jews, and most Israeli Jews do NOT support Netanyahu, fear for their future because of his action and deliberate genocide, and are so distraught and ashamed by his actions and Trump's support. Totally.

Correct in one - again😊

No one knows the thoughts of most Jews, we know the last election in Gaza the majority wanted Hamas government and got it

Oreo

Which Israeli Jew said that?
Most Israeli Jews are concerned with getting hostages back and making sure another 7/Oct/ 23 can never happen again, as are all the English Jews I know, family and friends.

I have his name, I have my friends names- I won't share them to you.

You are so so mistaken, most Jews, and most Israeli Jews do NOT support Netanyahu, fear for their future because of his action and deliberate genocide, and are so distraught and ashamed by his actions and Trump's support. Totally.

And if Trump does try this, who will stop him?

Why was Netanyahu not arrested when he stepped on American soil? Thought there was an International Warrant out for him. Instead he just sat there smirking. It's all going his way just now.

What worries me most is that that this madman spews one vile, extreme and inane idea after another and people sit up and listen.
Last week it was the US taking over Greenland and Canada becoming the 51st state. Now it’s ethnic cleansing. He’s power-crazy and will take us all to hell in a handcart if we let him.
Good point made about deporting immigrants from the US and expecting other countries to take in all those poor Palestinians.
Wars start this way. I just have to look away…

Which Israeli Jew said that?
Most Israeli Jews are concerned with getting hostages back and making sure another 7/Oct/ 23 can never happen again, as are all the English Jews I know, family and friends.

A very thought provoking post, Claremont: thank you.

The view of an Israeli Jew- shared by other Israeli Jews who fear for their country, their family, their lives, their future- and that of their Palestinian neighbours and friends.

'Since this morning I have been reading comments from Israel and the world on Trump's plan to occupy, deport, flatten and erect water slides in the strip. Two things are missing from almost every interpretation, so maybe it's my job to give up a nap, prepare a cup of tea and wake me up.

The first stands out to anyone who has ever talked to a Palestinian, and of course has completely disappeared from the eyes of anyone who has never talked to a Palestinian or talked to so and so on from them only about hummus, shlicht and "shalom". It's about the ethos of Palestinian exclusion and return.

When Trump described his plan, he said of Gaza being a terrible place and wondered why anyone would want to remain there. At that moment the voice (of a journalist or journalist) blessed the room: "Because this is their house." This is a nice answer, but very incomplete.

Displacement is a manipulated experience of the Palestinian people. Deportation is ongoing: from the Nakba to the present day. The whole concept of Palestinian identity is built on the lack of ability to heal from the trauma of displacement. At the same time, the Palestinian hopes are all built on return, making the walk to the north of the Strip with the start of the ceasefire an emotional event to amaze, and not just for the walkers themselves.

Telling two million Palestinians: We are going to uproot you, is just like telling two million Jews: We are going To put you in the Ghetto. We have already seen where the Ghettoas have led, and therefore the immediate response to such a statement will be for everyone to find a hand grenade and become Mordechai Anilavich.

Trump only sees real estate. He sees the destruction of the houses and mimics the resorts that can be built in their place. Palestinians see the place in a much more emotional way. The fact that there are holes in the walls of the house is secondary. The house exists and you can be in it. This is the main thing.
Any attempt to uproot the Palestinians from the strip will encounter this emotion. And every successful attempt - will be met with a church of return, as a struggle, as a continuation of the saga of violence, the hope and despair that we all (well, most of us) (well, some of us) are dead that will end already. The Hundred Years War that we have experienced so far, since the Tel Hai events, can fun turn into a war of three centuries and four centuries this year. Lots of blood will be flowing down Trump's waterslides.

The second thing the commentators don't see involves focusing on the question of whether or not it will happen. What they don't see is that this question is very secondary. The important thing is what has already happened. When the President of the United States embraces the ideas of ethnic cleansing, imperialist occupation and QIV, it's not like when my aunt does it on WhatsApp. It normalizes them, just like when Mr. Elon Musk salutes with the hand, it normalizes the hand.

These ideas have been normal for most of human history, but since most of human history we’ve had World War II that we eventually decided to stop normalizing them. Trump's move yesterday nullifies the amazingly important achievements that were made on the graves of the brothers and sheep of the mid twentieth century. The fact that Shree israel and Farshanya go out of their way with so much enthusiasm on such a program, it's a disgrace like no other. Here there is no question of whether it will happen. It has happened.

Claremont

Netanyahu does not care one hoot about them. He could have stopped the attack and chose not to. He could have had them all back safely a long time ago, he chose not to because he wanted to destroy Gaza and take over.

Got it in one.

Netanyahu does not care one hoot about them. He could have stopped the attack and chose not to. He could have had them all back safely a long time ago, he chose not to because he wanted to destroy Gaza and take over.

Agree JenniferEclcles and Oreo , I so fear for the hostages
more so after the very large crowd of terrorists and their very vocal supporters

Oh not this again! Signing out before I say what I explode and say what I think and needs saying. This has been planned for so long- surely you are not that naive!

Claremont

'a breeding ground for terrorism' - after all that happened to them, what do you expect. What other choice do they have?

They had their own land, Gaza, and they chose to let a bunch of terrorists run it for themselves, I feel sorry for the Palestinians there as they made a big mistake in voting for them and then couldn’t get rid of them.
If Gaza had been run properly for the people there it would be a different story.

JenniferEccles

Whatever the eventual outcome is for Gaza, the priority will be to ensure the safety of Israelis from the murderous Hamas regime which, despite Israel’s best efforts hasn’t been fully eliminated.

Hamas has made it quite clear what they intend to do to all Jewish people, therefore wherever Gazans end up it’s essential they are properly governed and controlled to ensure the horrific October 7th massacre isn’t repeated.

At least Donald Trump is throwing a few ideas around.

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'a breeding ground for terrorism' - after all that happened to them, what do you expect. What other choice do they have?

Whatever the eventual outcome is for Gaza, the priority will be to ensure the safety of Israelis from the murderous Hamas regime which, despite Israel’s best efforts hasn’t been fully eliminated.

Hamas has made it quite clear what they intend to do to all Jewish people, therefore wherever Gazans end up it’s essential they are properly governed and controlled to ensure the horrific October 7th massacre isn’t repeated.

At least Donald Trump is throwing a few ideas around.