Trump has been busy with his plan for Gaza!

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Trump x a leader who tells it how it is, and everyone recoils in shock. It is a demolition site, it's unhealthy and is a breeding ground for terrorism.

What are the Arab world, the EU suggestions? Give money to Hamas so they can rebuild? Rebuild their terrorist infrastructure … ?

When some of us said that that was the plan from the start, and called it genocide, we were reported as antisemitic. And now we have to hear this from FGT2- applauding the genocide, applauding Trump and Netanyahu's plans to take over the land from the Palestinian people who have lost so so many lives and everything they ever owned. This is sick, inhumane, evil.

And so so so dangerous, for Palestinians, for all of us, and more than ever, for Jews, whether they support Trump and Netanyahu or not.

Wyllow3

Please differentiate between ordinary Palestinians who just want to go home and rebuild, and the Hamas.

Or think that foreign owned - money not got into Gaza development - 5* hotels, the country clubs, the fancy shopping malls is actually "an economy".

The problem is that you, me, nor anyone else can differentiate between them.The only innocents are children.
Many, many Gazans support hamas, even tho supporting them has brought the country to its knees.

I couldn’t resist this yesterday:

Trump is a bully with an inflated view of himself. I’m relieved our government is not moving from its stated aims on Palestine.
Jordan and Egypt have accommodated huge numbers of people fleeing war in Syria, Iraq, Lybia. They have stated opposition to taking more from Palestine, not least because they don’t want Hamas creeping in to undermine their governments and destabilise their countries
Trump seems unable to learn from the history of this region, the importance of moving on from 1947.
Does he want war to extend in this region? A repeat of the twin towers attacks.

I f palistinians have the tiniest sense of humour left, they will think Trump is having a laugh with his ridiculous suggestion. Sadly a sense of humour after all that’s gone on is too much to expect of anyone

Of course they want their land, it’s theirs and they have lived there for many hundreds of years. Why should they be pushed out in order for Israelis and others to live there.
Egypt and Jordan do support them but over 2 million immigrants would be too much for the neighbouring countries to take in. Egypt in particular is a poor country.

Why shoukd they anyway, Trump in the richest country is busy getting shot of immigrants in the US and people here in the 6 th wealthiest country in the world complain about a few thousand.

As for the future the Israeli settlers illegally occupying the West Bank aided by Israeli police are taking the opportunity, while the world looks at Gaza, to attack and kill palistinians and force them from their Land because they want the entire area for themselves. Then East Jerusalem will be next.
They used to call it Lebensraum.

Gaza may in Trump’s words be a demolition site, he isn’t wrong, but it is also a graveyard with thousands of bodies as yet unaccounted for under the rubble. Those bodies need to be retrieved and returned to any families that remain, to be given a decent burial. Before the foundations for a Gazan playground are laid.
My thoughts are with those who are still searching for loved ones.

But there's no point voting on a proposal that can never come to be, or at least until it comes to be a probability.

If moving into housing not yet another tent into a friendly Egypt or Jordan were really a reality, then I say, yes, ask away, vote away., why not?

But whats the point atm?

"do you want to be cleared out of Gaza by force to a country that doesn't want you?"

FGT JWS spoke to one friend who lives in Gaza , who incidentally has already sent his family out of Gaza and is waiting to go himself. Hardly a representative sample of Gazans. If, as you seem to think, all Gazans are members of Hamas, why on earth would you want them given homes in other countries, surely it's better to have them all in one place? fwiw I don't think Gazans support Hamas but it's not improbable that more young men agree with them now than they did prior to 07/10, that's one of the terrible consequences of this war.

No, I haven’t either Wyllow3 that’s true. But more importantly really is what do the Palestinians think of Trump’s proplosal? An academic question as they’ll never be asked. And the cycle is doomed to repeat itself ad nauseum.

I've no problems with any individual Gazan who chooses to be welcomed to move into the Egypt or Jordan approved nice ready built dwelling.

Just the little problem that Egypt and Jordan have refused to support such a scheme.

FGT, all European countries who have spoken up have said exactly the same as Starmer/Lammy.

In fact I haven't heard of a single country who agrees with Trump, have you?

Interesting listening to Jake Wallis Simons (Telegraph) being interviewed who says people in Gaza have welcomed Trumps plan and are celebrating.

Maybe put it to the vote then? That’d be a novel idea. Let the people decide.

Now Keir joins in the ruckus against Trump for taking a country from its people, yet is doing exactly the same with the Chagosians, surely?

It won’t happen anyway.

Gazans should not be forced to leave, Lammy insists
Foreign Secretary David Lammy said it should be ensured that Palestinians have a future in their homeland.

His comments come a day after Donald Trump proposed resettling them and taking over Gaza to develop it.

“We’ve always been clear in our belief that we must see two states. We must see Palestinians live and prosper in their homelands in Gaza and the West Bank,” Mr Lammy told a news conference during a trip to Kyiv in Ukraine today.

Please differentiate between ordinary Palestinians who just want to go home and rebuild, and the Hamas.

Or think that foreign owned - money not got into Gaza development - 5* hotels, the country clubs, the fancy shopping malls is actually "an economy".

Trump x a leader who tells it how it is, and everyone recoils in shock. It is a demolition site, it's unhealthy and is a breeding ground for terrorism.

What are the Arab world, the EU suggestions? Give money to Hamas so they can rebuild? Rebuild their terrorist infrastructure … ?

People saying, "it won't happen" (dont agree or disagree atm) - what do you think will happen?

Far-right Israeli minister commends Trump's Gaza plan
From CNN's Michael Schwartz and Mostafa Salem

“Israel’s far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich commended a plan presented by United States President Donald Trump to remove Palestinians from Gaza and take ownership of the strip”

(CNN newsfeed)

I think it threatens the immediate prospects of cease fire and hostage return. I haven't yet read a single country that supports it. European nations already coming out against it including UK.

This will never happen. I doubt Trump thinks it will either.

Very peculiar and certainly not what I was expecting to hear as a way to sort out Gaza.

I guess the the world will get together to assist in building Gaza back for the residents.

The Gazans already had the 5* hotels, the country clubs, the fancy shopping malls etc, but they decided to add terror tunnels and attack Israel.

Don't think they'll ever learn.

This was part of the "concept" that Israel mistakenly bought into, that if things were economically good for Gaza, they wouldn't return to terrorism. We're looking at how well that turned out. Not.

Reassured by the tone of this thread and the general opinion of the Orange Man-Child as mad, bad and incredibly dumb.

Not that we can do much about it but at least we are singing off the same hymn sheet.

If you have access to The Express (I don't)

www.express.co.uk/news/world/1994912/suez-canal-rival-project-connect-red-mediterranean-seas

As said above, just one of so many. There was one in The Express last year too, but it is behind paywall.

www.eurasiareview.com/17112023-the-ben-gurion-canal-israels-potential-revolutionary-alternative-to-suez-analysis/

Trump clearly has ambitions to become a new colonial power - Gaza, Greenland and perhaps Canada and Mexico as well ...

It has been planned for a very long time- but there was a big problem.

'*The danger of a great war*

The fundamental factor that prevents the project from coming to life in practice is the presence of Palestinians in Gaza. The Palestinians should be expelled from that area or put under strict control which is happening these days. Apart from the Palestinians, the obstacle to the canal is the Arab and, more broadly, the Muslim world. There is no doubt that an attempt to build a canal from the Red Sea through Israel to the Ashkelon and Gaza areas could start a major war in the Middle East because it is hard to believe that the Muslim states would do nothing. If no one else, Iran would surely react.'

Ultimately, the obstacle to the canal is Russia, China and their partners. The Chinese and Russians would not stand idly by and watch irreparable damage be done to BRICS and the New Silk Road. If the Israeli canal came to life and Suez fell into the background, it would cut off Moscow and Beijing from the Mediterranean Sea. It is precisely for these reasons that the construction of the Israeli canal could trigger World War III just as the declaration of the State of Israel triggered numerous Arab-Israeli wars that have lasted for 75 years.'

link to full article below. There are so many of them saying more or less the same thing.