Chicken nuggets……..strugglin g to believe this!

Thank you. So she’s quite capable of looking after him on her own

She is mentioned in the judgement posted by SilverBrook on 10 Feb.

Where has the Mother been mentioned?
I thought they were suggesting ARFID, which is common in ASD. I am unaware of diagnosis complications in Albania or acceptance. It may just highlight the difficulties rather than it just being about chicken nuggets

The child’s alleged special needs, not diagnosed but apparently including a dislike of foreign food, seem to have been central to the judge’s decision to allow the appeal against deportation but a more senior judge considered it was wrong to say such needs couldn’t be met in Albania. The child also has a mother, so no need for fostering.

the article suggests he is awaiting a formal diagnosis though -
presumably if his dad is going to prison in Albania it would be better for the lad to be fostered here?

As said, I am sure the children's special need was just one of several more substantial reasons for appealing the deportation order, and not one that was likely to be key to the decision.

I am not defending or attacking the legal decision, merely pointing out that there will be a list of reasons why the man's legal advisors will be fighting the deportation order, most of them far more substantive, but the press will always focus on the frivolous or more ludicrous reason given, at the expense of the much more substantive reasons on which the decision is actually made.

The case is going to be reheard MOnica, as the government appealed the decision and a more senior judge agreed that it was unsatisfactory. As the father was due for deportation after serving a prison sentence here, and is wanted for murder in Albania, and there has been no formal diagnosis of the child’s alleged special needs, including food preferences, I hope the decision will be reversed.

The lawyer representing the person avoiding deportation will put together a whole raft of reasons, good,bad and frivolous as to why someone cannot be deported and the judge will make their decision based on the substantive reasons.

Journalists will, of course, concentrate on the reasons that make a good story. Hence, when someone is given the right to remain in the UK, if a journalist sees among the reasons they listed for not being deported something frivolous, they will concentrate on that, even though that may well not be the reason the right to remain was given

One rather assumes that most people have the intelligence to see that no one would be given a right to remain only because they have a cat, or because their child will not eat foreign chicken nuggets. The child may well be severely autistic or learning disabled, hence the fussy eating. or the right might have been given for other mors substantial reasons.

Should that be prioritised over they many cases for special needs support

This is the problem, genuine people don't get the help they need.

Gransnet posters are quite rightly shocked at the lies, deception and criminality involved in the case of Klevis Dishna and his gift of UK citizenship, which has rightly been rescinded; would you expect it to be otherwise?

The boy's claim to continue to reside here, (which would entail his father, a convicted criminal, also continuing to live here )was based purely on his dislike of foreign food, which does not constitute special needs provision. Should that be prioritised over the many cases for genuine special needs support?

Please tell me she was refused leave to stay here!

Primrose53

Today’s reason to avoid deportation is a West Indian woman who says she can’t return as it’s too hot for her! 🤣🤣🤣

Can I go?
It's too cold for me here.

Today’s reason to avoid deportation is a West Indian woman who says she can’t return as it’s too hot for her! 🤣🤣🤣

The child's dislike of 'foreign' nuggest was one of the arguments presented to the court that influenced the decision to allow an Alabanian wanted for murder in Albania to remian in the United Kingdom. How much weight the nugget argument was given by the court is not possible for us to determine. Unless and until this country finds the stones to quit the ECHR, or unless and until the ECHR us revised, this nonsense will keep on happening.

I just weary of these supposedly "shock horror" O/P's that take a little chunk of a media "shock horror" story when a little checking would reveal the issue was/is actually quite complicated, as if any case like this really hung on chicken nuggets.

Klevis Disha was a UK citizen and his children of course also are.

Had he not gained citizenship by deception he would not have been subject to deportation.

So it makes it much more complicated in terms of our "deport foreign criminals on release" policy.

First is the stripping of UK citizenship due to deception, and then there is the Right to a Family Life decision.

It's got into a right mess by the sound of it. Probably because of because of the crucial issues of deception in gaining citizenship.

Has that definitely happened, has he been stripped of citizenship?

Personally I think its safe for them all to return to Albania, but I'm not surprised this particular case has descended into muddy waters.

undines, I did not say that this story was untrue.
I said that man-stays- because -of -his -cat story is untrue: because it is.

Whenever there is a case like this there are so many voices raised, saying things like 'No, not true' and implying it's a kind of propaganda. Arguments that take the view that far too many people are coming here and staying here, with slender or no justification, can thereby be trivialised. But you only have to walk the streets of somewhere like Bradford to know that something is going on that is not protective of this culture, or the best interests of its citizens, whatever kind of chicken nuggets are being served.

Someone did tell me this but thought there must be much ore to the story.

eazybee

^The case is revealed in court documents, one of34,169 outstanding court appeals.It concerns Klevis Disha, 39, an illegal immigrant arriving in 2001 as a 15 year old unaccompanied child, under a false name and claiming to have been born in Yugoslavia.^
His asylum claim was rejected but in 2007 he acquired UK citizenship. He met his Albanian partner in 2006 and they had two daughters and a son.
2017 jailed for two years for being in possession of criminally obtained £250,000 cash. On release ordered to be deported and stripped of UK citizen ship as it had been acquired through deception.
Dishna appealed and judge at lower-grade immigration tribunal ruled it would be harsh for his son to remain in UK or return with him to Albania. Centred on son's special needs, of which thetre is no official diagnosis but supported by evidence from trainee Ed. Psych and a neighbour and family friend. Difficulties with emotional regulation, ^independence, reading and writing, also sensory issues with some clothing and food.
Dishna's appeal granted but judge in a senior court disagreed that the boy's needs could not be met in Albania, quoting the only example why the boy could not go to Albania was'he will not eat the type of chicken nuggets that are available abroad.'
Case was remitted to be reheard; ongoing. MeanwhileAnother criminal remains in our country.
But so much easier to believe it is made up by social media.

I don’t think any of us thought the case was “made up”. We were questioning the validity of “chicken nuggets” being the sole reason for the appeal.

I agree this man should deported, as does Starmer it appears. According to various sources on T’internet.

The case is revealed in court documents, one of34,169 outstanding court appeals.It concerns Klevis Disha, 39, an illegal immigrant arriving in 2001 as a 15 year old unaccompanied child, under a false name and claiming to have been born in Yugoslavia.
His asylum claim was rejected but in 2007 he acquired UK citizenship. He met his Albanian partner in 2006 and they had two daughters and a son.
2017 jailed for two years for being in possession of criminally obtained £250,000 cash. On release ordered to be deported and stripped of UK citizen ship as it had been acquired through deception.
Dishna appealed and judge at lower-grade immigration tribunal ruled it would be harsh for his son to remain in UK or return with him to Albania. Centred on son's special needs, of which thetre is no official diagnosis but supported by evidence from trainee Ed. Psych and a neighbour and family friend. Difficulties with emotional regulation, ^independence, reading and writing, also sensory issues with some clothing and food.
Dishna's appeal granted but judge in a senior court disagreed that the boy's needs could not be met in Albania, quoting the only example why the boy could not go to Albania was'he will not eat the type of chicken nuggets that are available abroad.'
Case was remitted to be reheard; ongoing. MeanwhileAnother criminal remains in our country.
But so much easier to believe it is made up by social media.

Babs03

My fault for quoting JJ, love the word 'baloney' but is not said by any of our judges, though am sure this could soon gain credence with some, this is how misinformation begins am afraid.

Not your fault at all, absolute baloney my dear

maddyone

No problem Cossy, I suppose I was a bit dry.
Realistically I don’t really know what to make of this story. I expect it’s all been embroidered by the media.

I agree

GrannyGravy13

maddyone

For anyone who’s interested, there’s a programme on Channel 4 tonight called Go Back Where You Came From. It’s about Syrians in Lebanon, hoping to get to Europe.
I’m not watching tonight as I want to watch the second episode of Unforgotten, but I may watch on catch up later in the week.

It’s about six UK civilians.

Three go to Syria, three go to Somalia. They then travel the routes migrants take.

They are in armoured cars, with armed guards and fixers all the time.

Perhaps they should take the six, dump them somewhere with just the clothes on their backs, but not until they have been thoroughly traumatised through living in a town being bombed regulalry and with unlicensed militias roaming the streets. Then give them as many resources as the average desperate refugee has, and leave them to make the journey to Calais as best they can.. Just ring them once a day to see how they are doing.

Bonnybanko

What is it Trumps saying? Who’s eating carpets and dogs?

That made me laugh. I thought the accusation of people eating cats and dogs was crazy but carpets 😂