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Ukraine- the situation is VERY serious

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Claremont Thu 13-Feb-25 09:56:45

for Ukraine and the whole of Europe.

And will FORCE the UK to choose.

(Capitals do not always represent shouting, but emphasis).

pascal30 Thu 20-Feb-25 10:56:22

Lovetopaint037

woodenspoon

Much of which doesn’t need to be done always in person. He likes the jollies and the travel.

Unbelievable! Have you really looked at him of late? He is a tired, exhausted man who is striving to stand up for his country.

I was shocked at how white his hair is becoming, and the obvious strain in his face.. He is definitely doing his best and thankfully, if you watch Newsnight, he is being supported cross party..

Iam64 Thu 20-Feb-25 10:48:42

And increasingly it looks like Russia has indeed been busy undermining Britain for years

Whitewavemark2 Thu 20-Feb-25 10:46:25

Europe as a United force is a threat both to Putin and Trump - obviously for different reasons, but it is clear that they see a good reason to work together I order to weaken Europe.

Iam64 Thu 20-Feb-25 10:39:42

M0nica

David49 I do not think there is any question of European troops supporting the Ukranian army when actively progressing the war.

The intention is that the European force will act as peacemakers as foreign armies have so many times n the past.

Exactly

David49 Thu 20-Feb-25 09:47:05

M0nica

David49 I do not think there is any question of European troops supporting the Ukranian army when actively progressing the war.

The intention is that the European force will act as peacemakers as foreign armies have so many times n the past.

They can only act as peacemakers if Russia agrees to end the fighting why would he want todo that, what are you going to give him.

He has already said no NATO troops in Ukraine .

M0nica Thu 20-Feb-25 09:35:12

David49 I do not think there is any question of European troops supporting the Ukranian army when actively progressing the war.

The intention is that the European force will act as peacemakers as foreign armies have so many times n the past.

David49 Thu 20-Feb-25 09:29:05

Ladyleftfieldlover

Whitewavemark2

Being reported that Macron is joining Starmer in his meeting with Trump.

Europe is beginning to close ranks.

Hooray!

At flipping last.

Europe are closing ranks, so far nobody has committed combat troops, to fight on, we will see what happens next, what worries me is that it’s going to take an army of 100,000 from Europe to retake the occupied land, plus direct attacks on the UK and other countries.

Without the US involved I just don’t see it happening.

Iam64 Thu 20-Feb-25 08:01:32

Being so tribal that you see no positives in anything Starmer does butters no parsnips wooden spoon.
Badenoch shares Starmer’s views on Ukraine/Trump thankfully, as do the LibDems. We need consensus building at this dangerous time.
I’m no supporter of the Conservative policies seen in the last government but peace in Europe needs people to work together on the many shared values

Lovetopaint037 Thu 20-Feb-25 07:56:53

woodenspoon

Much of which doesn’t need to be done always in person. He likes the jollies and the travel.

Unbelievable! Have you really looked at him of late? He is a tired, exhausted man who is striving to stand up for his country.

Ladyleftfieldlover Thu 20-Feb-25 03:46:45

Whitewavemark2

Being reported that Macron is joining Starmer in his meeting with Trump.

Europe is beginning to close ranks.

Hooray!

At flipping last.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 20-Feb-25 02:26:14

Being reported that Macron is joining Starmer in his meeting with Trump.

Europe is beginning to close ranks.

Hooray!

Wyllow3 Thu 20-Feb-25 01:19:28

Not sure who you were talking to Syracute, me or someone else up thread.

I was saying yes to "could you ask what Farage thinks".
If you read upthread you'll see my POV on Trump is very clear indeed.

Syracute Thu 20-Feb-25 00:46:40

Sounds like you believe Trump and his ilks viewpoint . Tragic . Maybe you like that he fancies himself a king .

Wyllow3 Thu 20-Feb-25 00:18:06

Yes.

HousePlantQueen Wed 19-Feb-25 23:28:06

Claremont

What we need to know, now, from Reform.

Who will they be backing? Ukraine and Europe

or Trump and Putin. We all deserve to know.

And while giving their opinion on Trump and his offensive comments regarding Ukraine, could you ask what Farage thinks about the request that Romania cancel the Tate brothers warrants?

Claremont Wed 19-Feb-25 22:49:13

What we need to know, now, from Reform.

Who will they be backing? Ukraine and Europe

or Trump and Putin. We all deserve to know.

Babs03 Wed 19-Feb-25 22:45:13

news.sky.com/story/amp/kemi-badenoch-defends-volodymyr-zelenskyy-after-donald-trump-calls-him-a-dictator-13312728

Hoping the government keep this stance when Trump visits.

Chocolatelovinggran Wed 19-Feb-25 22:22:38

Good grief! If this isn't the brown stuff meeting the ventilation I don't know what is.

Wyllow3 Wed 19-Feb-25 21:12:47

Good for Pence!

Other references like the Fox one will be dug up for sure - possibly quite an embarrassment as past footage dug up from current Republicans.

Not to mention of course footage from when Trump was impeached for his attempted persuasion of Zelensky 2019 to find an anti Biden story. Including a classic phone call after Trump says all these nice things

do watch this it really really shows Trump for what he is (this was one of the basis of impeachment

:I'd like you to do me a favour tho".....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyWNFvt9Fck

Churchview Wed 19-Feb-25 20:35:32

Pence on X "Mr. President, Ukraine did not start this war. Russia launched an unprovoked and brutal invasion that took hundreds of thousands of lives. The road to peace must be built on the truth"

He added an article from Fox news, Trump's favorite TV channel, with the news of February 24, 2022: "Russia invades Ukraine in biggest European attack since world war ii".

x.com/Mike_Pence/status/1892271536394162229

Babs03 Wed 19-Feb-25 20:31:06

A chat I had with my daughter recently made me chuckle I whatsapped her that there was a child in the Oval office picking his nose, she whatsapped back to ask 'Trump was picking his nose?'
Think it was my daughter who called it right.

Babs03 Wed 19-Feb-25 20:28:26

Repercussions isn't a word Trump is familiar with, but I think that all the totally absurd and highly damaging decisions he is making right now in haste he will come to regret at leisure.
As will those who voted for him, indeed some are already regretting their decision by all accounts.
This will not end well.

Casdon Wed 19-Feb-25 20:19:52

FriedGreenTomatoes2

There’s two sides to this.
And the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. 🤔

Right. So France invades us, and want to own us and rename us France. Germany agrees that they can. Are you fine with that?

LizzieDrip Wed 19-Feb-25 20:17:27

Russia invaded a sovereign country. Where are the two sides in that?

HousePlantQueen Wed 19-Feb-25 20:13:55

FriedGreenTomatoes2

There’s two sides to this.
And the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. 🤔

No. There are not. I truly despair.