A view from the other side of the same side - Israel.

Claremont I doubt very much that Hamas is bothered in the slightest about Islamophobia.

If you were to widen your reading/viewing matter you would see that they still have just one aim which is to repeat the acts of 7/10/23 again and again in order to annihilate every Jew on the planet.

Rationally speaking that’s impossible (we hope) unfortunately Hamas operatives, its supporters along with its head honchos are not and never have been rational.

Yes but

nanna8

Why are Jewish people afraid to admit they are Jewish ? Why are synagogues being burnt and defaced? Why are Jewish people being forced to move house ? This in their supposed place of refuge, Australia. Anti Semitism is most definitely a problem whatever take you have on the war.

I agree, it is so wrong. But what about Islamophobia, which is creating the very same conditions. How Palestinians, and Muslims all over the world, live with terrible prejudice and fear, all the time, and assimilated with Hamas and every attack perpetrated anywhere in the world.

It is not a crime to be Jewish, Jews should be able to go about their daily lives without fear nor persecution.

They should not have to be constantly aware that a terrorist organisation had vowed not to rest until every single Jew is wiped of the planet.

Imagine if this was said about a Muslim, an African tribe, it would be called out for what it is blatant racism…

There has been a knife attack at a Holocaust Memorial in
Berlin

Why are Jewish people afraid to admit they are Jewish ? Why are synagogues being burnt and defaced? Why are Jewish people being forced to move house ? This in their supposed place of refuge, Australia. Anti Semitism is most definitely a problem whatever take you have on the war.

Prevent dont agree with you.

Babs03

Right now I do not feel threatened by Middle Eastern cultures of Muslims in general, I feel threatened by the rise of fascism in the US and other countries, the Nazi salutes and permission to fly the Nazi flag in schools. The cosying up to autocrats like Putin. The simple fact is that white supremacists are the ones to watch. As they were back in the 1930s. And the constant scapegoating of Muslims in western societies adds fuel to the fire.
If people are looking for an enemy in the middle east they are looking in the wrong direction. Again.

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Babs03

Am afraid you are wasting your breath Claremont. The thing is I was devastated by the deaths of the young mother and children, but also the nameless young Palestinian woman who was sent by mistake.
But have realised that the simple fact is that many see Muslim lives as cheap, because they are seen as not being like us, nowhere near as civilised, savage and brutal, even medieval as was expressed the other day.
They don’t feel the way we do or treat their women the same. So who cares if their lives
are extinguished.
Perhaps people see Sadiq Khan in a similar way or the many Muslim women who are MPs, lawyers, teachers, and doctors/surgeons. Maybe they feel that these people are still ‘less’ than non Muslims, somehow not quite the same.
Am positive that many do.
So their suffering and deaths are - like the nameless young Palestinian woman - not worthy of noting.
‘Prick me, do I not bleed?’
How ironic.

Very good post Babs3.. I agree completely with you..

Claremont

Cossy, I am not a Jew, nor am I a Palestinian. And I am certainly NOT a supporter of Hamas either. But why should the pain, suffering and treatment of one side be any more 'valid' than that of the other side. Especially as now the plan is to expel them from their land forever, those who have not yet been bombed to smithereens, without a right of return.

An eye for an eye, hate for hate - and we all become blind, deaf and dumb. We with them.

The only comments I can make with honesty are that no one groups suffering is more valid than another, BUT Jewish people appear to have been tortured/targeted/massacred for far too many centuries.

Like many others here I wish for peace across the world, an end to terrorism, the end of corrupt govts who use their own people for their own gain.

Naive I know, but this is my desire!

Sorry, forgot to add this

youtu.be/5uUkiRtEA34?si=tVlpwwol-AWSE1uC

Doubt you can read it, the interview is on uTube

Claremont

Cossy, I am not a Jew, nor am I a Palestinian. And I am certainly NOT a supporter of Hamas either. But why should the pain, suffering and treatment of one side be any more 'valid' than that of the other side. Especially as now the plan is to expel them from their land forever, those who have not yet been bombed to smithereens, without a right of return.

An eye for an eye, hate for hate - and we all become blind, deaf and dumb. We with them.

I’m agreeing with you.

IMO, no one nation or cohort of our fellow humans should be singled out for any reason and attempts made to wipe them off the earth.

I feel this way about all nations, bar terrorist fractions.

Jonathan Sacerdoti (born 1980) is a British broadcaster, journalist, and TV producer. He covers stories relating to the United Kingdom and Europe, as well as terrorism and extremism stories, race relations,[1] Middle East analysis[2] and the British royal family.[3] He is also a campaigner against antisemitism.

The man who Claremont calls a ‘genocidal Zionist’ , he is a Jew!

Seems Zionists are responsible. I fear hysteria.

That documentary was,unknown to the BBC ( but not to the production team who made it) facilitated by hamas and the main person in it, a boy the son of a hamas minister of agriculture.That’s why, when they found out, the Beeb pulled it.So not, as you claim, sinister at all.

The boy in the documentary on Gaza is the son of a Hamas deputy minister,

And did you watch and listen

fb.watch/xVKoyKPGCv/

I suppose not.

Oreo

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All these ‘letters from Jews’ provided by Claremont often mentioned as young friends or friends of a friend and all with one thing in common, how they all hate the war on Gaza give me as a Jew, an ironic smile.Thread after thread started with the aim of denigrating Israel and the IDF.
Not that it matters, it’s just stuff on a forum but you got to wonder why.I read many comments usually headed ‘oh yes it was terrible what happened, the over a thousand murders and over two hundred hostages taken but’ and so on.

Actually those Jewish Israeli friends are not young, just a couple of years younger than us. The relevance? They post their own material, and as Jewish Holocaus Historians and specialists, materials obtained by their Jewish Israeli friends, not mine.

Why do I repost? Because the Israelis don't allow Journalists or independent Charities like the Red Cross and others, to be in Gaza. News, and blatant distortion and propaganda from Netanyahu's side are everywhere- but the other side it stiffled, hidden and even cancelled or forbidden, hidden.

As in this case

Israel won't let journalists into Gaza because they don't want the world to see the evidence of their crimes. Now the Genocidal Zionist state has managed to get a documentary showing the suffering of Palestinians removed from the BBC iPlayer. A sinister and calculated move to prevent us seeing the immense suffering inflicted by Israel.

Oreo I read but as Denial ,and if an error in translation why not more than one error !

Rula👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

All these ‘letters from Jews’ provided by Claremont often mentioned as young friends or friends of a friend and all with one thing in common, how they all hate the war on Gaza give me as a Jew, an ironic smile.Thread after thread started with the aim of denigrating Israel and the IDF.
Not that it matters, it’s just stuff on a forum but you got to wonder why.I read many comments usually headed ‘oh yes it was terrible what happened, the over a thousand murders and over two hundred hostages taken but’ and so on.

I'm not surprised. If the hostages' welfare was his No 1 priority then there is no way he would have acted as he has.

Rula

silverlining48

Thank you for putting this on Claremont. It is powerful and thought provoking. Katie is a brave woman.

Annie you should listen, not pass. What she as an Israeli woman says is worth listening to.

Why is it worth listening to?

So I'm Jewish.

Am I worth listening to? You wouldn't agree with my attitude. So you'd say no, I wasn't worth listening to

I've lived in Israel. I used to be part of the chaperones who took very ill Palestinians to Israel for medical treatment. Hundreds. Cancer patients, young and old.

Do you know about that?

The OP informed us the other day that Israelis want Palestinians dead. Which is totally untrue.

So I'm not going to pay any attention to someone so ignorant of truth

Rula
Some people think there is only one truth. That what they believe is the truth but in fact it is just one point of view.

Well done for all you were trying to do to help others.

and this is sad, because if you are not prepared to listen to other pov
As are many others, sadly.

Babs, same here. The current threat of WW3 does not emanate from Muslims or Palestinians.

Netanyahu is up to his ears and beyond with Trump and Putin. As shown above, the vast majority of Israelis don't trust him at all, and many blame him for the hostages.

GrannyGravy13

Galaxy

I dont take the moral decisions I have taken because someone is Jewish or Palestian, I am able to make those moral decisions myself. Everytime I read for example the hostages thread, I move further away from the progressives. As I said currently Boris Johnson is producing a statement on the Bibas family that I 100 % agree with.

Exactly!

Me too.

And your account Rula.

Right now I do not feel threatened by Middle Eastern cultures of Muslims in general, I feel threatened by the rise of fascism in the US and other countries, the Nazi salutes and permission to fly the Nazi flag in schools. The cosying up to autocrats like Putin. The simple fact is that white supremacists are the ones to watch. As they were back in the 1930s. And the constant scapegoating of Muslims in western societies adds fuel to the fire.
If people are looking for an enemy in the middle east they are looking in the wrong direction. Again.