A view from the other side of the same side - Israel.

Yes, I published a letter written a a Jewish Israeli friend about the poor woman sent back, whom they said was not the one. Playing cruel games- as it turns out the family totally confirms it was her.

I got the letter deleted, as it was a translation from Hebrew, and not very good, talking about 'the miserable woman' which was sounded all wrong in translation. The letter said that the woman sent 'whether Israeli hostage, or Palestinian' was probably a mother, a daughter, a friend - and that a dead woman, or another, blown up by bombs, was still a human- and neither worth more than the other.

I suppose a better translation would 'wretched', or 'torn human being'.

Am afraid you are wasting your breath Claremont. The thing is I was devastated by the deaths of the young mother and children, but also the nameless young Palestinian woman who was sent by mistake.
But have realised that the simple fact is that many see Muslim lives as cheap, because they are seen as not being like us, nowhere near as civilised, savage and brutal, even medieval as was expressed the other day.
They don’t feel the way we do or treat their women the same. So who cares if their lives
are extinguished.
Perhaps people see Sadiq Khan in a similar way or the many Muslim women who are MPs, lawyers, teachers, and doctors/surgeons. Maybe they feel that these people are still ‘less’ than non Muslims, somehow not quite the same.
Am positive that many do.
So their suffering and deaths are - like the nameless young Palestinian woman - not worthy of noting.
‘Prick me, do I not bleed?’
How ironic.

Rula

silverlining48

Thank you for putting this on Claremont. It is powerful and thought provoking. Katie is a brave woman.

Annie you should listen, not pass. What she as an Israeli woman says is worth listening to.

Why is it worth listening to?

So I'm Jewish.

Am I worth listening to? You wouldn't agree with my attitude. So you'd say no, I wasn't worth listening to

I've lived in Israel. I used to be part of the chaperones who took very ill Palestinians to Israel for medical treatment. Hundreds. Cancer patients, young and old.

Do you know about that?

The OP informed us the other day that Israelis want Palestinians dead. Which is totally untrue.

So I'm not going to pay any attention to someone so ignorant of truth

We know about it now Rula. Thank you for speaking out. My feeling is that people should listen to every voice. If we don't, we won't know the truth.

Some of the video clips shown as she speaks show IDF soldiers jubilating and celebrating as bombs hit and destroy large buildings, whole areas.

And one of the comments hit home

''So many outpourings of rage about the mistaken remains of an Israeli woman, but not a single world of sympathy for the Gazan woman whose shredded remains were no doubt found alongside her, both murdered by Indiscriminate Israeli bombings of civilians.

Should we not mourn the deaths of every man, woman and child in this tragic war?

In Dec 2023, Israel informed the families of Nik Beizer, Ron Sherman, & Elia Toledano that Hamas had murdered them in captivity.

Ron Sherman's mother kept digging into it, & discovered the IDF lied & killed her son & the 2 others by "asphyxiation" when they "gassed" the tunnel they were held in.
Last Sep, the IDF finally admitted they killed those 3 in an airstrike & had lied about it.
What tipped the mother off is that a CT scan found "no gunshot, stab wounds, shrapnel, fractures, external wounds & no signs of strangulation", so the IDF narrative that Hamas had killed them "with their bare hands" didn't fly.
Earlier this month, Israel's +972 newspaper revealed that Israel was indiscriminately bombing areas in Gaza with heavy rockets to deliberately "flood" the targeted areas "with lethal fumes" that kill the target by asphyxiation.

IDF Sargent Ron Sherman's mother put a tombstone on his grave that read: "kidnapped, abandoned, & sacrificed in Gaza by the [Israeli] government in the Oct 7, 2023 disaster". The IDF took that tombstone away.''

More The Telegraph- conservative.

Even if we all know that stats and polls have to be taken with a pinch, even a large one, of salt- and if there is a margin of error, even if substantial, 4-6% is VERY VERY low.

Like reading the Telegraph or the Mail !

From the Times of Israel (Conservative) and not the 'left-wing' Haaretz

'A recent poll finds that less than 4 percent of the Jewish Israeli public believe Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is a reliable source of information on the ongoing war between Israel and the Hamas terror group.

The figure rose slightly to 6.63% among right-wing voters.

Yes Rula I do know about Israeli people who took Palestinian people out of Gaza for the most serious medical treatment and credit to them.

I also know it was not easy to get that permission, there were often long waits or permission refused to seriously ill Gazans. Women in difficult labour , who died.

I believe that everyone be entitled to medical care which should not be on the whim of a probably non medical official saying yay or nay to get treatment for a seriously ill person to cross a heavily guarded border.

If we don't listen to different voices, how can we reach understandings? It's important to hear them.

GrannyGravy13

Claremont knows that the Facebook links she posts can only be accessed by GN members who have a Facebook account.

Limited audience.

If I had alternative, I would post them. I do not.

But Jews who feel the same way as this young woman are not 'just a few on FB' - it is totally false and very biased to claim this.

Quote Rula Sat 22-Feb-25 18:33:59
silverlining48
Thank you for putting this on Claremont. It is powerful and thought provoking. Katie is a brave woman.

Annie you should listen, not pass. What she as an Israeli woman says is worth listening to.
Why is it worth listening to?

So I'm Jewish.

Am I worth listening to? You wouldn't agree with my attitude. So you'd say no, I wasn't worth listening to

I've lived in Israel. I used to be part of the chaperones who took very ill Palestinians to Israel for medical treatment. Hundreds. Cancer patients, young and old.

Do you know about that?

The OP informed us the other day that Israelis want Palestinians dead. Which is totally untrue.

So I'm not going to pay any attention to someone so ignorant of truth

Same for me Rula I have read so many posts from the
O/P, so many about the large number of Jews who are against the Israeli government. No one knows how many for or against
this is fact

Rula 👏👏👏

Rula, you have just illustrated, very well, that Israeli Jews can be very different in attitude and opinions. It is wrong to claim all the time that Jews, including Israeli Jews, are all supporters or Netanyanhu or the destruction, eviction without right to return, of the Palestinian people.

We rarely see photos or videos of the horrors happening in Palestine, to real people. No Press allowed there, and any from inside are just dismissed as 'false propaganda'.

Which is why it is important to hear about the other side, as expressed a young Jewish woman, knowing full well she will ahve to suffer the consequences.

Rula

silverlining48

Thank you for putting this on Claremont. It is powerful and thought provoking. Katie is a brave woman.

Annie you should listen, not pass. What she as an Israeli woman says is worth listening to.

Why is it worth listening to?

So I'm Jewish.

Am I worth listening to? You wouldn't agree with my attitude. So you'd say no, I wasn't worth listening to

I've lived in Israel. I used to be part of the chaperones who took very ill Palestinians to Israel for medical treatment. Hundreds. Cancer patients, young and old.

Do you know about that?

The OP informed us the other day that Israelis want Palestinians dead. Which is totally untrue.

So I'm not going to pay any attention to someone so ignorant of truth

Thank you for that 👏👏👏👏
You have probably noticed that there are some members who because they see a few posts on FB who don’t support Netanyahu every Jewish person doesn’t support him thereby validating their views.

Rula

silverlining48

Thank you for putting this on Claremont. It is powerful and thought provoking. Katie is a brave woman.

Annie you should listen, not pass. What she as an Israeli woman says is worth listening to.

Why is it worth listening to?

So I'm Jewish.

Am I worth listening to? You wouldn't agree with my attitude. So you'd say no, I wasn't worth listening to

I've lived in Israel. I used to be part of the chaperones who took very ill Palestinians to Israel for medical treatment. Hundreds. Cancer patients, young and old.

Do you know about that?

The OP informed us the other day that Israelis want Palestinians dead. Which is totally untrue.

So I'm not going to pay any attention to someone so ignorant of truth

👏🏻👏🏻

Interesting post @ Rula - not many posts on GN on this subject come with your degree of lived experience.

Claremont knows that the Facebook links she posts can only be accessed by GN members who have a Facebook account.

Limited audience.

Galaxy

I dont take the moral decisions I have taken because someone is Jewish or Palestian, I am able to make those moral decisions myself. Everytime I read for example the hostages thread, I move further away from the progressives. As I said currently Boris Johnson is producing a statement on the Bibas family that I 100 % agree with.

Exactly!

I dont take the moral decisions I have taken because someone is Jewish or Palestian, I am able to make those moral decisions myself. Everytime I read for example the hostages thread, I move further away from the progressives. As I said currently Boris Johnson is producing a statement on the Bibas family that I 100 % agree with.

It is well worth listening to - as Claremont says this is not someone just having an ego-boosting rant, this is someone who knows her card will be marked for making this video but does it anyway in the name of truth.
If the woman is brave enough to say this so publicly, despite the flak she will take, there are almost certainly many others who agree with her privately but won't risk going public.

silverlining48

Thank you for putting this on Claremont. It is powerful and thought provoking. Katie is a brave woman.

Annie you should listen, not pass. What she as an Israeli woman says is worth listening to.

Why is it worth listening to?

So I'm Jewish.

Am I worth listening to? You wouldn't agree with my attitude. So you'd say no, I wasn't worth listening to

I've lived in Israel. I used to be part of the chaperones who took very ill Palestinians to Israel for medical treatment. Hundreds. Cancer patients, young and old.

Do you know about that?

The OP informed us the other day that Israelis want Palestinians dead. Which is totally untrue.

So I'm not going to pay any attention to someone so ignorant of truth

Thank you for putting this on Claremont. It is powerful and thought provoking. Katie is a brave woman.

Annie you should listen, not pass. What she as an Israeli woman says is worth listening to.

Because you Claremont post them, you say ‘huge numbers ‘
you do not know, you post a speech allegedly given by a Rabi,
it’s truth.

‘One swallow does not a summer make’

Two wrongs do not make a right they just encourage more wrongs, and there have been so many wrongs leading up to the situation we are in now.

Cossy, I am not a Jew, nor am I a Palestinian. And I am certainly NOT a supporter of Hamas either. But why should the pain, suffering and treatment of one side be any more 'valid' than that of the other side. Especially as now the plan is to expel them from their land forever, those who have not yet been bombed to smithereens, without a right of return.

An eye for an eye, hate for hate - and we all become blind, deaf and dumb. We with them.