Yippee! Starmer embraces BREXIT freedoms! ✔️

A lot of people think that if something is said enough times by many people then it is a fact. Sadly they do not know what the meaning of the word fact actually is.

Even real facts get distorted or incorrectly reported. If ever you have been at an event in person that then gets reported in the papers you will be aware that there are flaws in the report. If this happens with something you personally know about then it must happen with other reports. You can’t take anything as gospel. This is where GN is useful when posters tell you things from their personal knowledge and experience.

If we are talking of truth. Maggie Keenan was not the first person in this country to have a COVID jab. She was the first person to receive it after the official immunisation campaign was rolled out.

Before that tens of thousands of people in this country received is as part of the trials for the safety and efficacy of the COVID vaccination. Every one of them a volunteer. DH was one of them.

MayBee70

The trouble is a lot of lies are now so ingrained in people’s minds that they have become facts. And no matter how many times they’re disputed people still believe them.

I know, I often read them on GN about this and previous governments, MPs and PMs.

The trouble is a lot of lies are now so ingrained in people’s minds that they have become facts. And no matter how many times they’re disputed people still believe them.

Yes, mollygo, there are lots of lies, past and present, but that does not make repeating them right.

My small contribution is to call out the easily disproved ones

MayBee70

BevSec

A (very) quick google search had Matt Hancock saying the UK got the vaccines early because of Brexit. He was health secretary at the time so I assume he must have known?

I don’t think that’s correct. Hancock was as reliable as Johnson when it came to telling the truth.

It depends who we are all likely to think is telling the truth according to our leanings! I do respect those of us on here who have different views to me and respect their right to those beliefs, but they do not affect the who I choose to believe. Xxx

HousePlantQueen

Here we are, all these years later, and still the same old lies are being trotted out.

But that applies to sooo many things nowadays in present and past politics.

A quick Google of Full Fact disproves this oft repeated lie, the facts, figures, relevance dates are all there. I am on my phone so can't copy link. If anyone has doubts, I will provide the links tomorrow. I really don't have an issue with people having a differing opinion to me, but I get irritated when lies are spread.

According to Darwin.
It is not the most intellectual of the species that survives.
It is not the strongest that survive.
But the species that survives is the one that is able best to adapt and adjust to the changing environment that it finds itself.

Here we are, all these years later, and still the same old lies are being trotted out.

BevSec

A (very) quick google search had Matt Hancock saying the UK got the vaccines early because of Brexit. He was health secretary at the time so I assume he must have known?

And the very reason Dr Raine chose to very publicly deny his and Johnson's false statements, as THE expert in charge.

BevSec

A (very) quick google search had Matt Hancock saying the UK got the vaccines early because of Brexit. He was health secretary at the time so I assume he must have known?

I don’t think that’s correct. Hancock was as reliable as Johnson when it came to telling the truth.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Found it. Only took 2 minutes:

The biggest vaccine campaign in NHS history kicked off this morning, as 90-year-old grandmother Margaret Keenan became the first person in the world to receive the Pfizer COVID-19 jab following its clinical approval.8 Dec 2020
www.england.nhs.uk
Landmark moment as first NHS patient receives COVID-19 vaccination.

And here:

People also ask
Who was the first person to have a COVID vaccine in the UK?
Maggie Keenan among millions given NHS spring COVID booster. Margaret Keenan, the first person in the world to receive an approved COVID-19 vaccine, has received her spring booster today.22 Apr 2022
www.england.nhs.uk
Maggie Keenan among millions given NHS spring COVID booster

Goodnight all. 💤

Not everyone was enamoured by the EUs response to the pandemic.
This little gem from a Dutch liberal lawmaker when Von de Leyen was questioned on her response.
she made a couple of big fat mistakes. Article 16 was one, her tendency to speak only to German media another

www.euractiv.com/section/health-consumers/news/meps-grill-von-der-leyen-over-shaky-covid-19-vaccine-strategy/

A (very) quick google search had Matt Hancock saying the UK got the vaccines early because of Brexit. He was health secretary at the time so I assume he must have known?

Thank you, the initial link I posted worked, but I copy and pasted it and it didn't. The facts are very clear however- despite the claims made by Johnson and others at the time.

cdn.jwplayer.com/previews/H9kmIH4Y gets you in

You do need to watch the video- from the expert in charge. We were able to access the vaccine because we were still under EU medical cooperation, as Brexit had not been implemented at the time.

Watch Dr June Raine, don't listen to me. She was Head of the MHRA at the time, so knows much better than me.

cdn.jwplayer.com/previews/H9kmIH4Y

The EU were concerned that the UK was hogging some vaccine, but they did that because the EU puts it's members first and we were no longer members. There isn't much that I don't remember about the pandemic because it is etched in my memory in much the same way that the leave campaign lies are. There was no way that the EU could have stopped us vaccinating people. Quite happy to be proved wrong, though.

Claremont

We do remember Boris and Covid jabs- and we also remember that we were able to get them so early because we were part of the EU and before Brexit. Don't you remember that bit.
And that we paid a lot more for them than the EU who bought much larger amounts together much cheaper, and very quickly caught up.

UK left EU at midnight on 31/01/2020

MayBee70

BevSec

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I think you are mis-remembering Claremont about the Covid vaccines.
Brexit came first.
Boris got in.
Then the pandemic.
Then the vaccines. I remember that woman on tv getting the first ever jag on tv. Just before December 2020.
I must look up her name and the details.
Tomorrow maybe.
I’m tired now & off to read my Kindle.

That is how I remember it at the time, it was precisely because we had exited the EU we got the vaccines early and I seem to remember the EU tried to block us. Sooooo glad we are out. I rejoiced at the time and still rejoice now.

I don't think that this is correct...

I will try to do some research, its just that is how I remember it.

BevSec

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I think you are mis-remembering Claremont about the Covid vaccines.
Brexit came first.
Boris got in.
Then the pandemic.
Then the vaccines. I remember that woman on tv getting the first ever jag on tv. Just before December 2020.
I must look up her name and the details.
Tomorrow maybe.
I’m tired now & off to read my Kindle.

That is how I remember it at the time, it was precisely because we had exited the EU we got the vaccines early and I seem to remember the EU tried to block us. Sooooo glad we are out. I rejoiced at the time and still rejoice now.

I don't think that this is correct...

Claremont

We do remember Boris and Covid jabs- and we also remember that we were able to get them so early because we were part of the EU and before Brexit. Don't you remember that bit.
And that we paid a lot more for them than the EU who bought much larger amounts together much cheaper, and very quickly caught up.

Johnson lied that we wouldn't have been able to vaccinate at that time if it wasn't for brexit which wasn't the case. Had we been fully still in the EU we would still have been able to vaccinate people when we did. And we hadn't fully left the EU. The EU did get a much better financial deal and weren't far behind us with their vaccination programme. I think they had concerns about the safety of the Astra Zeneca vaccine[?] which is no longer being used . Lets not forget that it was Johnson who ignored the warnings from Italy about the scale of the pandemic which resulted in many more people dying. Let the bodies pile high and all that .

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I think you are mis-remembering Claremont about the Covid vaccines.
Brexit came first.
Boris got in.
Then the pandemic.
Then the vaccines. I remember that woman on tv getting the first ever jag on tv. Just before December 2020.
I must look up her name and the details.
Tomorrow maybe.
I’m tired now & off to read my Kindle.

That is how I remember it at the time, it was precisely because we had exited the EU we got the vaccines early and I seem to remember the EU tried to block us. Sooooo glad we are out. I rejoiced at the time and still rejoice now.

Dr June Raine,. PRAC Chair, Director of Vigilance and Risk Management of Medicines, Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) - is the official responsible who clearly states that we were able to get the vaccine early BECAUSE (emphasis, not shouting) we were still part of EU and Brexit had NOT been implemented

Do watch the video of her explaining this, officially.

cdn.jwplayer.com/previews/H9kmIH4Y

Claremont

We do remember Boris and Covid jabs- and we also remember that we were able to get them so early because we were part of the EU and before Brexit. Don't you remember that bit.
And that we paid a lot more for them than the EU who bought much larger amounts together much cheaper, and very quickly caught up.

Were you living here then, Claremont? I know travel was restricted as we couldn't see our family for a long time, even when vaccinated.
It was a miserable time, wasn't it. I don't think I want to be reminded.