Yippee! Starmer embraces BREXIT freedoms! ✔️

Claremont

But in a Democracy, a decision is never forever. Which is why we have regular elections. In a decision turns out to be a disaster on all fronts (and that it was rigged and manipulated, and had a tiny percentage in favour), then we all have a democratical right to re-consider, and find ways to limit damage. Democracy, and sheer common sense and intelligence.

The point that is missed here, is the Brexit was a referendum.

I cant see the Uk doing a referendum again, for say another 50 years.

The referendum was huge. In so many ways.
And yes, a win is a win, as others are saying.

Hear, hear vegansrock and Cossy👏👏👏

If only Brexit was done and dusted! As I’ve said before Brexit wasn’t done, we were done by Brexit!

vegansrock

Brexit is not just something in the past we should forget about and never speak of again since the economic act of self harm - a country putting economic sanctions on itself - have lead to an extra shock to the economy in addition to those shocks such as the pandemic and wars we are still suffering from whether we are aware of it or not. You might as well say any historic event should be discounted and not remarked on - let’s forget the First World War or the General Strike as major events. And , yes, people do still talk about the 1966 World Cup which had far less effect on the country and its citizens.

Well said, agree completely

Strange O/P Telegraph article really - seems to be a proponent for totally free trade, when POTUS is busy laying tariffs on here, there, and everywhere, and abandoning any concerns about climate change.

No thanks. Stay with Europe, keep our kite mark as well by all means, buy British is possible even if its not the cheapest option, and definitely keep up our food standards and since we buy/sell most goods to Europe, work with them not against them.

M0nica why do you keep repeating that Brexit was 10 years ago?

This is clearly incorrect. As I’m sure you know, the referendum was 9 years ago, and the UK officially left the EU in 2020 - so, 5 years ago!

vegansrock. I said nothing about forgetting Brexit. Just stop constantly harping on about it.

Brexit was 10 years ago, since then we have had COVID the Ukraaine War, Trump as President the growing obvious danger of Putin, more extremes of climate, an accession of 10 years of new voters on the voting list and as many falling off the other end through death.

Brexit is done and dusted, for good or ill, in the current very changed conditions our government, whoever it might be, needs to make decisions on is based on the entirely changed world we now live in and the our relations with the EU should be based on the fact that we have left the EU and thereafter decisions should be based on what serves the best interest of us and the rest of the world, now, not 10 years ago.

Brexit is not just something in the past we should forget about and never speak of again since the economic act of self harm - a country putting economic sanctions on itself - have lead to an extra shock to the economy in addition to those shocks such as the pandemic and wars we are still suffering from whether we are aware of it or not. You might as well say any historic event should be discounted and not remarked on - let’s forget the First World War or the General Strike as major events. And , yes, people do still talk about the 1966 World Cup which had far less effect on the country and its citizens.

As I said once on a thread, it will be just a paragraph in the history books in years to come.

I don’t get the wetting themselves with excitement, we’ve been buying cheap, shoddy goods for years now.

I partly agree with M0nica about the people whose lives are so bland and boring that they are constantly harking back to . . . Brexit, whether they were for or against it.
As she says, Brexit is done, its over, it is now a yawn.

Labour is considering, the PM has been urged….so says the Telegraph.
This isn’t news until it happens.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Ah, thought so.
Thought maybe you’d had an epiphany! 😂

😂😂😂

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Ah, thought so.
Thought maybe you’d had an epiphany! 😂

😂😂😂😂

Ah, thought so.
Thought maybe you’d had an epiphany! 😂

FriedGreenTomatoes2

You agree with ME HPQ?

Irony alert

FGT2 I think Europe is already beginning to twig.

Elegran the Kite mark still exists and British Companies who care about their reputation and quality of goods can apply to the British Institute to obtain one provided they meet certain criteria.

I agree Elegran we ought to reinstate the British ‘kitemark’ symbol. What’s stopping us?

Europe is in so much trouble and nearly all of it is self inflicted. Ending the war in Ukraine will no doubt change fortunes (although the fallout will be huge), but I wonder when it will finally twig that welfare dependency, mass immigration, high taxes and the cost of climate nonsense are to blame?

Do you always buy the cheapest clothes, then, FGT regardless of how long it will stay usable, or whether it is made of flammable material? Or the cheapest food, constructed of gristle, fat, and the scrapings from bones, thickened with "non-nutritional filler"? I don't suppose you do - it doesn't sound like your taste.

So why do you think that rubbish should be freely imported into a country which used to have a kite mark, awarded to goods that passed British standards? That should be re-introduced, or a modern version adopted.

HousePlantQueen

Yes I agree FGT2, and still people believe the propaganda that somehow the ECHR harms us, was written for the express purpose of keeping foreign born criminals on the streets. Hey ho

It wasnt meant for that purpose but that is what it is being used for.

You agree with ME HPQ?

Yes I agree FGT2, and still people believe the propaganda that somehow the ECHR harms us, was written for the express purpose of keeping foreign born criminals on the streets. Hey ho

Claremont a referendum is a huge decision democratically. It’s not something to chop and change over such as the government of the day. It was a bigger topic which is why it generated such massive voter engagement. A huge percentage of voters turned out at the polling stations because they knew their vote mattered.

A slim win is still a win. Sorry.

And as we all know (deep down) opportunities were not seized because basically the politicians of all stripes didn’t want it, nor did the civil servants. Indeed in the HoC great efforts were made (Bercow, indicative bluddy motions by Grieve, Green et al and Jo Swinson - fool - pledging to just ignore the vote if she won) to thwart the whole momentum. No wonder many of the public, although now resigned to Brexit never being implemented as good as it could have been if we’d been braver, are disappointed.

Oh well. Hey ho.
The sun still shines (occasionally), the grass still grows, the birds sing and the world still turns.

Anyhow, it is totally wrong to have a Referendum without clearly setting out exactly what is consists of, and the likely pros and cons. Yes or no to something which is not defined, is just absolute nonsense.

25Avalon

I agree the Telegraph article does seem a bit premature although nowhere does it say it's actually going to happen. I'd rather see us removed from the jurisdiction of ECHR when we can't deport rapists and other serious law breakers. Brexit has never been fully implemented because the Tories were divided and never really wanted it. This is a major factor in the rise of Reform.

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