Mike Amesbury, suspended Labour MP

I dont think it is pulling strings as such, the strings which favour those who have financial means, power, just the ability to function, are already there.

Would the Labour Party be pulling the strings, he has been expelled? Who do people think was pulling them, and why?

Whatever…. It’s a damn disgrace. 🤨

The appeal was handled at great speed which makes me think that strings were pulled to speed the legal process. If they were, I suspect it would have been to get the ball rolling on what happens next to allow the people of Runcorn and Helsby to decide what they want.

Since October, work will have been going on at CLP level to see who might replace Amesbury as the Labour candidate in a by-election.

I wouldnt use the word two tier I would use the word class or money or power.

Because justice is different for those with money, knowledge, the general ability to know where to go for advice, etc, etc. In the way that most of life is different for those people.

Read the Sentencing Council's guidelines and take it up with the judiciary.

www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/outlines/assault/

Amesbury isn't in a position of authority. Who does he have authority over? He a public servant, an MP who was elected by members of his constituency. It is up to them to decide if they want him to continue to represent them.

It is nothing to do with "two tier Labour". The party suspended him from the party in October as soon as the incident occurred. He now sits as an independent.

As I have already pointed out, the current law on this is The Representation of the People Act 1981 enacted under the Conservatives and The Recall of MPs Act 2015 enacted under the Conservative/LibDem Coalition.

Please explain where "two tier Labour" comes into it.

love0c

It was a bad attack. I am very surprised he did not get a lot longer. I have always understood that ' the only behaviour you can control is your own'. So why only 10 weeks for an actual assault but long sentences for posting on facebook for incitement? Hinting at other people to do deeds is not you doing the actual deed. Do not agree at all with the way things are going in this country. Not happy at all. And very, very worrying!!

Perhaps reading a transcript of the judges ruling would answer your questions.

I hope he resigns under pressure from his constituents.

A sentence suspended for two years is more likely to ensure he doesn’t re-offend than a short prison sentence.

I have family in his constituency, the locals are furious and see two tier labour at work again. That man will be out just as soon as they can hold an election

The judge said the other party wasn't badly hurt and that is one of the considerations in sentencing.
So that's all right then?
No it is not.
This man was in a position of authority, able to make decisions which affect others, and very clearly lacks judgement and the ability to control his violent temper.
It is down to the electorate of his constituency to rid Parliament of him, and I hope they do it speedily.

It's not too tier policing its policing or sentencing by class. As if often the case.

No they wouldn't.

The maximum sentence for common assault is six months. A custodial sentence is unusual for a first offence.

The judge said the other party wasn't badly hurt and that is one of the considerations in sentencing. You can see in the video that the young women who went over were about to pull him to his feet when one suggested they let him rest for a moment.

I am not condoning the attacked but the law sets a tariff for the offence. The original judge gave the impression that the penalty would be lighter. Instead Amesbury will now carry out 200 hours of unpaid work, undertake a 120-day alcohol monitoring requirement, go on an anger management course and complete 20 days of rehabilitation work. That sounds more productive than being incarcerated.

It’s a total disgrace that his sentence has been suspended.

Two tier sentencing yet again. Had it been a member of the public who beat him up, they would have got years not months and it would not be suspended.

I agree with you Casdon, on your two most recent posts.

he is a violent man, there are plenty of them around

There are indeed Galaxy. There should be none in positions of power, eg MP

I dont care whether he holds particular views on social justice issues, lots of horrible people hold opinions I agree with or do a lot for charity. He is a violent man, there are plenty of them around.

He can still represent his constituents as an independent unless they they decide they no longer want him. The Representation of the People takes priority now. He's served since 2017 and was relected with a huge majority last July. His Parliamentary record shows he fights on the social issues that many of us support.

Yes, there is no parliamentary provision to stop that. The rules need to change.

It still means he’ll get his £91,000 or £93,000 salary until he ceases to be an MP.

I don’t think it does necessarily mean that *eazybee, if you read the section in the attachment I posted, he falls under section 2 of the Conditions for Recall I believe. It’s up to his constituents to initiate that if they wish for him to be removed. Mind you, if you look at some of the seedy idiots who remained as independents in the last parliament, I don’t think constituents always act when they should.

As I understand it, if this signals the end of the appeals process in respect of Amesbury, a recall petition can be triggered.

Wyllow3

I cant find if a suspended sentence is treated the same as a normal sentence, ie subject to Recall petitions.

Treated the same:

www.electoralcommission.org.uk/voting-and-elections/how-elections-work/types-elections/recall-petitions

His prison sentence has been suspended for two years, replaced with 200 hours community service.
So presumably this lout will be able to continue sitting as an Independent MP. An absolute disgrace.
He was clearly expecting this as he did not arrive at the earlier hearing with a case of clothes in preparation for prison,
Wonder who pulled the strings, because someone clearly has. The speed of hearing the appeal says it all.

I cant find if a suspended sentence is treated the same as a normal sentence, ie subject to Recall petitions.