Surely we must pay more taxes!?

BevSec

Casdon

BevSec

LizzieDrip

Hear hear MaizieD.

BevSec you do realise that being able to buy any pharmaceutical you want without a prescription is highly dangerous, don’t you.

It’s nothing to be celebrated!

Its everything to be celebrated. They say its on their own heads. I got some badly needed sleeping tablets yesterday after a sleepless night. Feel like a different person today. I would have be3n desperate otherwise. How is that so wrong?

You said you were an ex NHS employee BevSec, so I find it very surprising that you would call for ungoverned access to prescription drugs. You must have seen the impact of people who have had serious adverse reactions being admitted to hospital to be ‘rescued’, surely, it happens often.

Not one to my knowledge in all the years I worked for the NHS. We are all more than capable of knowing how to look after ourselves.

It is common, here’s a recent example related to the use of weight loss injections bought online.
www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/nhs-alert-over-surge-in-hospital-admissions-linked-to-weight-loss-jabs/ar-AA1uDwFZ

Going back to the original question, of course we should pay more taxes, I support the current government but they were foolish to commit to not raising taxes for the working person, the statement in itself caused problems and the policy is causing even more problems. I don’t pay a lot of tax but would be happy to pay more and so would my DH.

I have never heard anyone justify it like that. Probably they have faced criticism such as I have seen on here though and feel the need to defend their decision.

That was to Doodledog.

Why would anyone have to justify what they spend their surplus money on?

I say surplus as necessary bills (including taxes) along with feeding and clothing one’s dependants first should be a given.

Quite so. Nobody else’s business.

Barleyfields

I have never heard anyone justify it like that. Probably they have faced criticism such as I have seen on here though and feel the need to defend their decision.

I'm not saying that you have heard it, just that I have😀. Two different experiences, and one doesn't cancel out the other.

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GrannyGravy13

Why would anyone have to justify what they spend their surplus money on?

I say surplus as necessary bills (including taxes) along with feeding and clothing one’s dependants first should be a given.

Nobody has to justify their spending of surplus money. It seems money and spending are cause opinion to vary widely.

are

I don’t think anyone has to justify it. I’m just saying that many do.

Doodledog

I don’t think anyone has to justify it. I’m just saying that many do.

Curious. Not anything apart from interest.

Is posting "I believe using private medical may relieve pressure on the NHS" an attempt at justification? Or merely logic to me?

FTR our 4 TKR were in NYC - not any part to NHS.

I know you're not singling anyone out, Doodledog, but in this day and age, you do sometimes feel obliged to explain or even defend your choices. There is certainly more one-upmanship around in general, but by illustrating their choices on here, I hope that posters aren't being seen as superior or uncaring. That isn't the case, and from what I understand, they have already paid/are paying a very healthy amount of tax on earnings or on their inheritances where due. They're not justifying it, but maybe just giving an insight?

A friend of mine is having a TKR in a couple of weeks. It is in a private hospital but may be happening on the NHS, as some operations in private hospitals are. I don’t know, as I haven’t asked and she hasn’t said.

It’s none of my business, and I would only know whether someone went private if they told me, and would only know their motives if they told me those. In ‘real life’, as I try to do on here, I am forthright in my opinions but respect people’s privacy. I will happily discuss politics in the abstract, but hope I would never criticise someone’s choices directly. We all do what is right for us at the time.

It’s true that in any discussion of politics abstract ideas will apply to individuals eg my friend knows that I would prefer to see private medicine abolished as we have discussed this before and she has said that she feels the same.

Obviously if she has made a choice to jump the queue because of the pain she is in she will know that I disapprove in principle but it is not my place to approve or disapprove of her personal choice. If she said that she was going private to ease queues in the NHS, however, I would have to point out that she knows that is rubbish 😀

In short, I disagree that people are obliged to explain or defend their choices, escaped. Not to me, anyway. Sometimes I think that can get lost in translation online, as recent personal attacks on me may have shown.

Also - if my friend is going private I don’t disagree with her doing so as she is in pain and the wait has been long. What I disapprove of is the two-tier system, not the people driven to using it.

Doodledog

Also - if my friend is going private I don’t disagree with her doing so as she is in pain and the wait has been long. What I disapprove of is the two-tier system, not the people driven to using it.

Fair enough!

I well understand, knee pain is debilitating.

FTR I knew you weren't attempting to make others justify or defend their choices, just writing thought provoking points.

In short, I disagree that people are obliged to explain or defend their choices,escaped. Not to me, anyway. Sometimes I think that can get lost in translation online, as recent personal attacks on me may have shown.
I think on GN Doodledog that others do sometimes feel the need to defend their choices, because of the insults that are written back to them about their decisions. I'm sorry you've had personal attacks. I have certainly received many on the subject of private education for my family, so of course, I will take the time to explain /justify those choices. (Only to probably incur yet more criticism!) 😆

Mizie an interesting discussion of wealth in macroecconomic terms, but unfortunately irre;evant when discussion who are the walthy who should pay more tax.

HMRC to not dealin economic theory they deal in £s and p. At what income are people deemed wealthy and require to pay extra tax and, if we have a capital tax, at what level should it start and how should it grow, if at all.

There are now a long list of conditions that the NHS will not treat.

And what happens when an NHS doctor refuses to refer you for porper treatment.

I was misdiagnosed as having a TIA, even though I knew it wasn't because I had had the condition before on the right side of my body and had successful treatment. The doctor I saw refused to refer me to an appropriate specialist. She had made her diagnosis and that was that.

In the end I saw a doctor privately, who confirmed the misdagnosis and successfully treated me for the real problem.

M0nica

Mizie an interesting discussion of wealth in macroecconomic terms, but unfortunately irre;evant when discussion who are the walthy who should pay more tax.

HMRC to not dealin economic theory they deal in £s and p. At what income are people deemed wealthy and require to pay extra tax and, if we have a capital tax, at what level should it start and how should it grow, if at all.

If a tax is genuinely progressive, there would be no need for a finite threshold.

As anybody could suffer from something the NHS won't treat and anybody can experience mistakes, I assume you think that everybody should have the means to afford private healthcare.

I'm afraid that now we are just weeks away from the new tax year we will have to brace ourselves for EVERYHING going up.
And I find it puzzling trying to work out why my Council Tax bill has been charging a Social Care Precept year upon year and yet social care diminishes year after year, to the point of being broken and on it's knees in my area.

Defence or Social Care? The financial mathematics are impossible.

If only these two categories were given the same priority as HS2 - unbelievable amounts of money were thrown at that White Elephant.

We still need HS2. Our train network is archaic.

We do not need HS2. It is a complete white elephant channeling much needed money from being invested elsewhere in the rail network.

The money invested could hav improved the line to Birmingham in a fraction of the time, and given more trains travelling fast. It culd also have improved the East coast line and several other lines.

growstuff

M0nica

Mizie an interesting discussion of wealth in macroecconomic terms, but unfortunately irre;evant when discussion who are the walthy who should pay more tax.

HMRC to not dealin economic theory they deal in £s and p. At what income are people deemed wealthy and require to pay extra tax and, if we have a capital tax, at what level should it start and how should it grow, if at all.

If a tax is genuinely progressive, there would be no need for a finite threshold.

How would that work?