Trump Pauses Aid To Ukraine

Casdon... Don't need to be deported I already feel like an immigrant in my home town...no benefits for me from a mixed society

Has anyone spoken to Ukrainians living here? My conversation with a lovely Ukrainian lady surprised me because she had just returned from a week’s visit to her home town near the Polish border. She reported that even though her home was not in the disputed area, she was kept awake with explosions going off all the time. She did however make the journey there and back in one piece. So point is that parts of Ukraine are habitable once the war stops. I imagine that the most patriotic gesture would be returning to rebuild Ukraine, whilst living in the unaffected areas.

www.bbc.com/news/articles/czdlyj1m5z5o.amp

David49

I am happy to have a balanced view, government policy seems reasonable to me, if that policy changes, I may or may not agree.

You may think your view is balanced some us may not agree David.

Wyllow3

The Russians have gone in for very heavy bombing in the last few days ahead of "peace talks" next week in Saudi Arabia.

Here is the summary:

At least 18 people, including four children, are wounded in an overnight Russian attack, according to Ukrainian officials

Ukraine's president Volodymyr Zelensky says Russia also targeted energy infrastructure that "ensures normal life"

French-built Mirage jets were used for the first time to push back the attack, according to the country's air force

The barrage comes after the US suspended military aid to Ukraine this week, including intelligence sharing

Zelensky is travelling to Saudi Arabia next week, where talks between Ukrainian and US officials aimed at ending the war will take place

Meanwhile, Russia has expressed its opposition to the EU's "confrontational rhetoric" around Ukraine

am I the only one to be skeptical about Russian willingness to agree to a "peace plan" that Ukraine can accept"? Especially since Russia remains hostile to any European peace keepers and the US's refusal to provide any backstop?

What Putin wants is complete capitulation and him keeping a large n proportion of Ukraine, that’s not a “peace deal”

You read the original post so you knew the context

David49

When the war ends I think it is quite reasonable for refugees that fled the war should return to Ukraine,whether that is the US, UK or elsewhere, we gave them a place of safety, now they can return and rebuild Ukraine.

I do accept that many don’t want to because it’s a lot more comfortable here.

How on earth do you know “It’s a lot more comfortable here”

Just like every other country on earth, the Ukraine is made of many different professions, doctors, scientists, lawyers, teachers, etc etc. I daresay they had quite comfortable lives.

In any event many Ukrainian refugees are wom and children as many men stayed behind to fight, many of these men are now dead!

Note the word NOW in the centre of the third line of the first paragraph.

Don't preach to me about misquoting.

David49

When the war ends I think it is quite reasonable for refugees that fled the war should return to Ukraine,whether that is the US, UK or elsewhere, we gave them a place of safety, now they can return and rebuild Ukraine.

I do accept that many don’t want to because it’s a lot more comfortable here.

I am not in the habit of misquoting people to make a point, David and in fact it is impossible to misquote a post, if you use the right button it is quoted automatically.

In your post, David49 Fri 07-Mar-25 08:25:11 , this is what you said, the whole sentence not just the bit that you keep quoting yourself, when you claim to be repeating what you said. Scan down to the actual post, and it is there to be seen.

I am happy to have a balanced view, government policy seems reasonable to me, if that policy changes, I may or may not agree.

The Russians have gone in for very heavy bombing in the last few days ahead of "peace talks" next week in Saudi Arabia.

Here is the summary:

At least 18 people, including four children, are wounded in an overnight Russian attack, according to Ukrainian officials

Ukraine's president Volodymyr Zelensky says Russia also targeted energy infrastructure that "ensures normal life"

French-built Mirage jets were used for the first time to push back the attack, according to the country's air force

The barrage comes after the US suspended military aid to Ukraine this week, including intelligence sharing

Zelensky is travelling to Saudi Arabia next week, where talks between Ukrainian and US officials aimed at ending the war will take place

Meanwhile, Russia has expressed its opposition to the EU's "confrontational rhetoric" around Ukraine

am I the only one to be skeptical about Russian willingness to agree to a "peace plan" that Ukraine can accept"? Especially since Russia remains hostile to any European peace keepers and the US's refusal to provide any backstop?

David49

Casdon

David49

So I’ll repeat when the war ends they can return and help rebuild their country that applies to all assylum seekers. When it is safe they should return to their home country.

If some of you don’t like that, tough, we are generous enough to help them our obligation ends.

Why will you repeat that David49? Your name isn’t Keir Starmer, and you’re not in charge. When the war ends, and depending on how favourable that end is for Ukraine, a call will be made by the government of the day, as it always is when a war ends in a country where people have sought asylum in other countries.

Because we I am happy to give “genuine” assylum to those that need protection a great many that claim it don’t, they are economic migrants.

That’s your view though, it’s not a fact? You do need to resist the urge to tell other people that your way is the only way, because we all know what happens will be dependent on many factors we can’t predict yet. These people aren’t here because they are economic migrants, and if at the end of the war they would like to stay in the UK because of any one of a number of scenarios in Ukraine, they deserve to be treated with compassion. Many of them are from areas likely to become part of Russia, their homes have been bombed, they have lost their husband or family members in the war etc.etc.

David49

For some asylum seekers it will never be safe for them to return to their home countries, however much they, or you, want.

How can anyone return to Ukraine in the foreseeable future?

I cannot say more, as it’s not nice to be personal.

It might be that your experience of a mixed society is slightly different to those living in deprived areas, but dont let that stop you. I wonder what those curmudgeons will say if ever they are called to fight for a country that holds them in such contempt.

Casdon

Alternatively all the UK native curmudgeons who don’t appreciate the benefits of a mixed society could be deported, and we could keep (if they want to stay) the grateful, willing and productive Ukrainians here, to help towards the rebuilding of the UK for future generations.

Great idea!

Elegran

David49

So I’ll repeat when the war ends they can return and help rebuild their country that applies to all assylum seekers. When it is safe they should return to their home country.

If some of you don’t like that, tough, we are generous enough to help them our obligation ends.

what you actually SAID, David was " we gave them a place of safety, NOW they can return and rebuild Ukraine." which was not how you started your post at Fri 07-Mar-25 08:25:11. That looks very much as though you are convinced that there is now peace in Ukraine , so they can go home.

Unfortunately, the truth is that there is not yet a ceasefire with Russia, let alone a lasting peace in which to start rebuiding.

Dont misquote just to get at me this is my text.

“When the war ends I think it is quite reasonable for refugees that fled the war should return to Ukraine,”

Casdon

David49

So I’ll repeat when the war ends they can return and help rebuild their country that applies to all assylum seekers. When it is safe they should return to their home country.

If some of you don’t like that, tough, we are generous enough to help them our obligation ends.

Why will you repeat that David49? Your name isn’t Keir Starmer, and you’re not in charge. When the war ends, and depending on how favourable that end is for Ukraine, a call will be made by the government of the day, as it always is when a war ends in a country where people have sought asylum in other countries.

Because we I am happy to give “genuine” assylum to those that need protection a great many that claim it don’t, they are economic migrants.

David49

So I’ll repeat when the war ends they can return and help rebuild their country that applies to all assylum seekers. When it is safe they should return to their home country.

If some of you don’t like that, tough, we are generous enough to help them our obligation ends.

Why will you repeat that David49? Your name isn’t Keir Starmer, and you’re not in charge. When the war ends, and depending on how favourable that end is for Ukraine, a call will be made by the government of the day, as it always is when a war ends in a country where people have sought asylum in other countries.

If the visas expire in September 2026, that gives 18 months for the ceasefire, dicussions and lasting peace to happen, and then their return can be effected.

David49

So I’ll repeat when the war ends they can return and help rebuild their country that applies to all assylum seekers. When it is safe they should return to their home country.

If some of you don’t like that, tough, we are generous enough to help them our obligation ends.

what you actually SAID, David was " we gave them a place of safety, NOW they can return and rebuild Ukraine." which was not how you started your post at Fri 07-Mar-25 08:25:11. That looks very much as though you are convinced that there is now peace in Ukraine , so they can go home.

Unfortunately, the truth is that there is not yet a ceasefire with Russia, let alone a lasting peace in which to start rebuiding.

David49

So I’ll repeat when the war ends they can return and help rebuild their country that applies to all assylum seekers. When it is safe they should return to their home country.

If some of you don’t like that, tough, we are generous enough to help them our obligation ends.

Many will return though obvs whilst Putin is still bombing civilian areas it really isn’t safe atm. However, some Ukrainians who have got jobs here or in the US, or set up a business, and have got children in school etc., should be given leave to stay. They are contributing to the economy and so can only improve things for all of us.
In the US Ukrainians have lived there for centuries and Ukraine as a US ally put boots on the ground in both the Iraq and Afghanistan war. So no way should asylum seekers over there be deported and am sure Ukrainian communities will fight to keep them in the US.

Furthermore there were nearly 300,000 Ukrainians given temporary visas currently those experienced in September 2026, they should all return.

Thats government policy I support it.

So I’ll repeat when the war ends they can return and help rebuild their country that applies to all assylum seekers. When it is safe they should return to their home country.

If some of you don’t like that, tough, we are generous enough to help them our obligation ends.

Some of them have built new lives, businesses, relationships.

What I do know of Ukrainian refugees I have come across is thst thry are enterprising and hardworking. They may not be able to work in the professions or skilled jobs they had n Ukraine but seem happy to turn their hand to anything.

Alternatively all the UK native curmudgeons who don’t appreciate the benefits of a mixed society could be deported, and we could keep (if they want to stay) the grateful, willing and productive Ukrainians here, to help towards the rebuilding of the UK for future generations.