Trump Pauses Aid To Ukraine

David49

When the war ends I think it is quite reasonable for refugees that fled the war should return to Ukraine,whether that is the US, UK or elsewhere, we gave them a place of safety, now they can return and rebuild Ukraine.

I do accept that many don’t want to because it’s a lot more comfortable here.

When the war ends I think it is quite reasonable for refugees that fled the war should return to Ukraine ... (David49)

Some of them have built new lives, businesses, relationships.

There are people who see beauty in differences and others who see threats. Somehow we need to encourage the former and quash the lies that build the latter.

Some Ukrainians will want to go and help their country. Some Brits will want to go and help them rebuild too.

Keep an open mind. Closed-minded people seem to spend more time insisting others understand them than trying to understand others.

David49

When the war ends I think it is quite reasonable for refugees that fled the war should return to Ukraine,whether that is the US, UK or elsewhere, we gave them a place of safety, now they can return and rebuild Ukraine.

I do accept that many don’t want to because it’s a lot more comfortable here.

I do accept that many don’t want to because it’s a lot more comfortable here.
On wat grounds do you base that statement David1949?

You make it sound as if Ukraine was a primitive country and the UK is a much better place to live. That is just untrue.

now they can return and rebuild Ukraine.
Oh - is all quiet and peaceful there now? That was quick.

Yes, I'll send my friend's 7 year old back, he can start working as a brickie, perhaps.

Your post comes across as quite callous.

People who arrived in the UK are on time/condition limited visas on the understanding its until peace returns/war over. (Some want to stay, but thats up to our own system to decide case by case.

But this is not the issue we are discussing here, the US is removing their right to asylum before any peace plans "forthwith" : its punitive and vicious

When the war ends I think it is quite reasonable for refugees that fled the war should return to Ukraine,whether that is the US, UK or elsewhere, we gave them a place of safety, now they can return and rebuild Ukraine.

I do accept that many don’t want to because it’s a lot more comfortable here.

Yes, I realised that just before you posted. The 1.8m is the totla allowed in by Biden. I imagine he will move on to the rest of them the next time he feels like kicking the cat.

240.000 are the Ukrainian refugees, check the Reuters article

So not 1.8 million?

here is the link to the news
www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-plans-revoke-legal-status-ukrainians-who-fled-us-sources-say-2025-03-06/

its 240.000.

USA total population is 346,679,696

Ronib not everything that Trump does is to appease Putin, rather a lot of it is pure nasty vindictiveness but I'm sure Putin won't worry about having a some more Ukrainian children, women and old folk to bomb.

For people who are interested in polls (not ronib obviously) there are new polls out
Headline in the Washington Post : Americans don’t love Trump’s methods on Ukraine.
They have brought together a number of polls done by Reuters, The economist etc and basically say that although Americans want to see an end to the war in Ukraine, they are increasingly supportive of Ukraine, dislike Trump's dealings with Russia and are increasingly unhappy with the way Trump is handling things. We can only hope that public opinion has some effect!

ronib

Well you can’t say that Trump doesn’t follow through on his policy regarding Ukraine. Again, I wonder if it’s Trump’s idea of protecting his own country in the event of escalation to nuclear war with Russia. Nothing seems to be off the table unfortunately.

Even Trump is unlikely to believe that having accepted fleeing Ukrainians would make it more likely for Putin to invade the US, ronib. If he is considering plans for invasion, that won't be the deciding factor, there are plenty of other things that would be foremost in his mind.

Babs03

Trump is just throwing his toys out of the pram because Zelenskyy has had such a warm welcome in Europe and the UK.
Causing untold misery to Ukrainian refugees many of whom will be women with children, their husbands fighting in Ukraine or killed in action. I imagine that like Ukrainian refugees over here they will have settled somewhere with children attending school. I only hope the communities they live in kick up a stink.

There have been Ukrainian people living in the USA for centuries, far longer than Trumps family who are recent arrivals.

Over a million Americans are of Ukrainian descent. I hope they and others in the community show their strongest disapproval of this vindictive, petty move.
He is just like a toddler having tantrums.

170,000.

I completely agree with you Casdon that it’s a very vindictive act but is this appeasing Putin? How many of these Ukrainian asylum seekers are affected and who can take them in?

Trump is just throwing his toys out of the pram because Zelenskyy has had such a warm welcome in Europe and the UK.
Causing untold misery to Ukrainian refugees many of whom will be women with children, their husbands fighting in Ukraine or killed in action. I imagine that like Ukrainian refugees over here they will have settled somewhere with children attending school. I only hope the communities they live in kick up a stink.

No. It’s vindictiveness to send Ukrainian asylum seekers out of the USA. Mainly women, children and old people.

Well you can’t say that Trump doesn’t follow through on his policy regarding Ukraine. Again, I wonder if it’s Trump’s idea of protecting his own country in the event of escalation to nuclear war with Russia. Nothing seems to be off the table unfortunately.

Evil. No other word for it.

Grandmabatty

Trump is now saying he's going to revoke the Ukrainian asylum seekers who already have permission to be in USA. What a nasty, spiteful person

😱😱😱 He really the pits!

Trump is now saying he's going to revoke the Ukrainian asylum seekers who already have permission to be in USA. What a nasty, spiteful person

While we are charging headlong towards net zero China is producing solar panels and batteries using coal for power to sell to us. Producing EVs that undercut our and other countries production, the UK really does need to wake up.

We havn’t yet reached the point where the national debt is owed to China but several developing countries now cannot repay the China loans. It has even got South Africa in a strangle hold, it’s so easy to accept the money then see it all frittered away through corruption

I do not think Putin has anything on Trump. I think Trump admires Putin and want's to land grab like Putin. Trump has systematically surrounded himself with 'Yes Men and sycophants. Anyone who apposes him is beat down. No doubt he would like the Russian equivalent of Siberia to send any of his opposition to. Vance is there to step into Trumps shoes at the 1st opportunity. All three are the most odious men. An unholy trinity and the Anti Christ!
Putin will not negotiate with Zelensky. He doesn't want him at the table. I wonder what he is scared of. I have no doubt he thought he could walk all over him but the Ukrainian people admire and believe in Zelensky . Something that Putin could never achieve.

Emilymaria

America exploits almost every country, outside China and Russia, commercially: Walmart, Amazon, Apple, Coca Cola, Pepsi Cola, ExxonMobil, Shell, Costco, J P Morgan Chase - the 22 largest companies financially in the world are American. The next largest number of companies, 11, are Chinese. America has already made inroads to the NHS, it owns Boots (Walgreen), Colgate, Morrisons- the list goes on and on. Water has been diverted by Coca Cola in 3rd world countries, leaving land barren. McDonalds have razed thousands of square miles of forest in South America (the ‘lungs’ of the world) to rear their cattle. Britain hosts American Military bases. American influence in every area of our lives is overwhelming and the money they make out of us goes into the pockets of the super rich. America DOES owe us, morally if no other way - but how moral is America at all, let alone under its current administration? How we allowed it to happen lies in history, not least WWII when our American allies charged us for their services, making up a massive percentage of our national debt. ‘Vassal State: How America Runs Britain’ by Angus Hanton is out on 11 April. It should make daunting reading.

How could that possibly be true when Trump says that the world is picking on the USA and destroying its economy 🤔

Emilymaria

America exploits almost every country, outside China and Russia, commercially: Walmart, Amazon, Apple, Coca Cola, Pepsi Cola, ExxonMobil, Shell, Costco, J P Morgan Chase - the 22 largest companies financially in the world are American. The next largest number of companies, 11, are Chinese. America has already made inroads to the NHS, it owns Boots (Walgreen), Colgate, Morrisons- the list goes on and on. Water has been diverted by Coca Cola in 3rd world countries, leaving land barren. McDonalds have razed thousands of square miles of forest in South America (the ‘lungs’ of the world) to rear their cattle. Britain hosts American Military bases. American influence in every area of our lives is overwhelming and the money they make out of us goes into the pockets of the super rich. America DOES owe us, morally if no other way - but how moral is America at all, let alone under its current administration? How we allowed it to happen lies in history, not least WWII when our American allies charged us for their services, making up a massive percentage of our national debt. ‘Vassal State: How America Runs Britain’ by Angus Hanton is out on 11 April. It should make daunting reading.

That is changing fast, China influences much more of the economy than you realize, it’s best not to forget that it is a communist dictatorship where there is no freedom of speech, if you don’t agree with party policy you get sent to a re-education camp.

America exploits almost every country, outside China and Russia, commercially: Walmart, Amazon, Apple, Coca Cola, Pepsi Cola, ExxonMobil, Shell, Costco, J P Morgan Chase - the 22 largest companies financially in the world are American. The next largest number of companies, 11, are Chinese. America has already made inroads to the NHS, it owns Boots (Walgreen), Colgate, Morrisons- the list goes on and on. Water has been diverted by Coca Cola in 3rd world countries, leaving land barren. McDonalds have razed thousands of square miles of forest in South America (the ‘lungs’ of the world) to rear their cattle. Britain hosts American Military bases. American influence in every area of our lives is overwhelming and the money they make out of us goes into the pockets of the super rich. America DOES owe us, morally if no other way - but how moral is America at all, let alone under its current administration? How we allowed it to happen lies in history, not least WWII when our American allies charged us for their services, making up a massive percentage of our national debt. ‘Vassal State: How America Runs Britain’ by Angus Hanton is out on 11 April. It should make daunting reading.

Once the mineral deal is signed then aid and intelligence reports will resume, I just hope that there will be some true peace deal that Zelensky and Putin can agree on as there is nothing else on the table as yet.