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Inspiring speech from Trump to Congress

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Arto1s Wed 05-Mar-25 05:41:24

I was very encouraged by his speech. The Democrats reacted like sulky children.

Cossy Thu 06-Mar-25 11:17:20

Rosie I do your point and I think the whole language thing is completely ridiculous.

I have absolutely no issue with transgenders though, I know two. As I say labelling a whole cohort of people like this is just as bad as saying any other cohort or minority groups are ALL a danger to women.

Maybe blame govts and councils for being too quick to jump on the bandwagon of changing things.

I’m a women (not complete any longer haha) but prior to radical hysterectomy I had all the appropriate organs to conceive and give birth four times completely naturally. I am a woman, proud of being a woman, but frankly I really really don’t care what language other’s choose to use. I’ll call “them” them, she, he or by their given or assumed name. It does not bother me.

Wyllow3 Thu 06-Mar-25 11:14:06

I've made a big general point, Ronib.

That the severe cuts in Medicaid will stop expensive treatments including cancer for the poorest

This is Trump policy in action* and there are, as I alluded to, cuts in Education ahead as well, already also poorly funded.

There will be more.

Cossy Thu 06-Mar-25 11:11:52

Babs03

Dictators do tend to change the political narrative, and every one of them says it is for the good of the ordinary people and will make their nation great again. Lenin, Hitler, Khomeini all shook up the political system not only in their own country but around the world.
The banning of liberal or subversive opinions is the first thing to be tackled, then political dissent, then the elimination of groups of people thought to be unsavoury and committing most of the crimes.
Can we see echoes here?

More than echoes!

It’s very frightening!

Rosie51 Thu 06-Mar-25 11:11:16

Cossy

Galaxy

Not if it loses you ever election it isnt, and if it means those who would normally support you wouldnt dream of voting for you. I dont think trust is a small issue I think it is fundamental in politics, and if as a party your misogyny is such that you put men in prisons with some of the most vulnerable women then I cant possibly support you. I also think that what has happened to children will be seen historically as one of the greatest medical blunders of all time, so no I dont think it will be seen as a small issue. I think that historians etc will be analysing it for years to come.

I think I made my position very clear and transparent.

I don’t think transitioned male to female should be in women only spaces, that includes prisons, sports. changing rooms, toilets, etc etc etc.

Irrespective of how you feel, it’s a teeny weeny problem in the great scheme of things and affects a very small part of the population.

Far far less than all the women in the USA affected by the barbaric abortion/pregnancy care laws.

I don’t really understand your obsession with such a very small cohort of people, many of whom just get on with their lives and cause no one any trouble.

I don’t really understand your obsession with such a very small cohort of people, many of whom just get on with their lives and cause no one any trouble.

I don't think it's a secret that I share many of Galaxy's concerns in this area. What I will say is we are constantly told it's a tiny number of people so can anyone explain why the language for the great majority has had to be changed, and why that largely only applies to terms used to describe women and their bodily functions.?.... people who menstruate, people with a cervix, chest feeding, birthing person, people with vaginas......etc etc. I've yet to see a poster or article advising 'people with a prostate' ......

So yes this is the 'stopped clock' moment when I don't have a problem with Trump's announcement regarding males in female spaces. The rest, well I've not heard one other thing I agree with him on. And as for his interference in the Middle East's proposals for Gaza, I think he should keep his nose out.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn7vd4pnxx3o

Whitewavemark2 Thu 06-Mar-25 11:09:27

Trump is not overseeing social change.

Trump is actually overseeing social regression

ronib Thu 06-Mar-25 10:58:10

Hang on Wyllow3 cancer research is worldwide. The Uk has small companies designing new methods for the delivery of cancer treatments. It’s ongoing and Trump can’t stop invention nor do I imagine that he wants to.

Wyllow3 Thu 06-Mar-25 10:52:19

The hypocrisy of some actions...

One of Trumps actions in that speech was the boy who had fought brain cancer being given a secret service medal.

The reality - for many, cancer treatment has not been adequate, and with the cuts in medicaid, many are will not get adequate treatment, and Trump has cut research for cancer.

ronib Thu 06-Mar-25 10:50:40

Wyllow3 I can’t get too emotionally involved in another country’s health care system when living in England. I think though that the geo political situation will cause huge loss of life if handled incorrectly.

ronib Thu 06-Mar-25 10:46:46

No Babs03 I really can’t. What I can see is a huge reluctance to understand Russia’s position. Much to my horror, the one liner on GB News seems to suggest that Russia thinks it may be at war with NATO countries… I was wondering when Putin would start up.

Wyllow3 Thu 06-Mar-25 10:46:32

I think it would be good to look at actual policies!

Back in the real world it's important to look at the effect domestic changes in policies will have on ordinary citizens.

I'm referring to the cuts in budgets, not just the mass suspensions of federal workers that is causing chaos, and the re hiring of only those who "toe the line politically"

"Although the GOP budget doesn’t specify cuts, it directs specific committees to enact spending reductions.

For example, the Energy and Commerce Committee, which primarily funds Medicaid, would have to find $880 billion in savings, and the Education and Workforce Committee, which funds early education programs and Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, benefits, would be responsible for $330 billion in cuts."

Now this is an already struggling health care and education system before cutting.

This article looks at just one state in particular as well as general issues.

"More than a million of Connecticut’s poorest residents would likely lose some — and possibly all — of their federally-funded health insurance, food stamps and early childhood education programs if massive Medicaid cuts advanced by Congressional Republicans become law, advocates and opponents said.

“The House budget blueprint takes us down a path of increased family economic insecurity and child poverty as well as increased costs for household basics and debt — all in service of tax cuts for the ultra-wealthy and large corporate interests,” said Emily Byrne, director of Connecticut Voices for Children, which advocates for disadvantaged children and their families."

"Opponents said those mandates mean Republicans would reduce or eliminate health coverage for more than 800,000 low-income Connecticut residents, 5,600 children in early education programs for those under five years old and nearly 400,000 SNAP recipients."

Now, the suggestion coming out of Trumps government has said, "it's up to the states to make up the care" but without giving them budgets to do so.

It will be a way of deflecting blame.

"“In reality, states will not make up for all or even most of the federal cuts, and families will lose health coverage and food assistance,” Parrot said.

An analysis by the Urban Institute, conducted with the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, concluded states would need to make up for between $700 billion and $1.1 trillion if Medicaid spending is capped"

ctvoices.org/in_the_news/proposed-federal-cuts-to-medicaid-snap-chip-could-impact-more-than-a-million-ct-residents/

*Imagine our government slashing NHS funding to your local area and saying "councils will have to provide instead" but giving no money to councils? Becuase that is what is [roposed.

Babs03 Thu 06-Mar-25 10:34:33

Dictators do tend to change the political narrative, and every one of them says it is for the good of the ordinary people and will make their nation great again. Lenin, Hitler, Khomeini all shook up the political system not only in their own country but around the world.
The banning of liberal or subversive opinions is the first thing to be tackled, then political dissent, then the elimination of groups of people thought to be unsavoury and committing most of the crimes.
Can we see echoes here?

Cossy Thu 06-Mar-25 10:34:22

ronib

Yes Cossy so far he is. Trump has certainly shaken up the EU and Uk forcing them to pay more for its own defence. That’s good surely?
Trump also is questioning the legitimacy of climate science- science needs to be questioned it’s not actually a religion.
If Ukraine can agree to consider not fighting for years into the future that’s good too.

It’s good that the EU and UK are more closely aligned, I agree, and I agree UK needs to spend more on defence.

I don’t think Trump is anywhere near bright or educated enough to question science, though I agree questioning things in a logical manner is always good, I question though whether Trump looks at evidence, weighs up both sides and reaches evidential conclusions.

It’s not Ukraine that needs to stop fighting, or as most of us describe it, defending itself, it’s Russia.

ronib Thu 06-Mar-25 10:30:19

Yes Cossy so far he is. Trump has certainly shaken up the EU and Uk forcing them to pay more for its own defence. That’s good surely?
Trump also is questioning the legitimacy of climate science- science needs to be questioned it’s not actually a religion.
If Ukraine can agree to consider not fighting for years into the future that’s good too.

Babs03 Thu 06-Mar-25 10:27:05

ronib

Well it’s best to have a broad perspective… I tend to agree that social change is happening. What shocks me is that Trump is delivering it!!

What shocks me is that you believe this.
Still, your prerogative.
But the phrase ‘there is one born every minute’ springs to mind.

Cossy Thu 06-Mar-25 10:26:06

ronib

Well it’s best to have a broad perspective… I tend to agree that social change is happening. What shocks me is that Trump is delivering it!!

Is he though?

Babs03 Thu 06-Mar-25 10:25:50

Thanx for the link Cossy

ronib Thu 06-Mar-25 10:24:46

Well it’s best to have a broad perspective… I tend to agree that social change is happening. What shocks me is that Trump is delivering it!!

Babs03 Thu 06-Mar-25 10:23:54

Cossy

So here’s the link

www.conservativewoman.co.uk/

Not a publication that I’ll be reading regularly.

However, as it was used here to back up Trump and show he’s actually right and the vast majority of us are wrong, I feel it’s only fair to give it a read and share the link.

Wow that is some read. Lots of philosophising and wrapping up in fancy paper and bows Trump’s fascist ideology.
With the occasional mention of Gods, as if Trump is in fact divine.
Nice to know how very wrong we all were and how very blessed with rightness Trump as his cronies are.
I don’t think that any of us would hold up any government thus far as particularly good at representing the ordinary people.
But progress around this will not come from the far right but the likes of Bernie Sanders.

Cossy Thu 06-Mar-25 10:18:51

The Woke Left says it all really.

ronib Thu 06-Mar-25 10:17:55

Keep reading

ronib Thu 06-Mar-25 10:17:12

Also The Woke Left by Matt Goodwin and the article by Kathy Gynell…..

Cossy Thu 06-Mar-25 10:16:33

silverlining48

I have just had a Quick Look at conservative woman uk and what struck me straight away is all but one or two of the articles within are written by MEN!

Funny that!

wink

Maybe they used to be women? grin

silverlining48 Thu 06-Mar-25 10:15:33

I have just had a Quick Look at conservative woman uk and what struck me straight away is all but one or two of the articles within are written by MEN!

NotSpaghetti Thu 06-Mar-25 10:00:38

Do you mean this:

Trump and the end of the Long Twentieth Century, Part 1

It's in 3 parts.

Cossy Thu 06-Mar-25 09:55:17

So here’s the link

www.conservativewoman.co.uk/

Not a publication that I’ll be reading regularly.

However, as it was used here to back up Trump and show he’s actually right and the vast majority of us are wrong, I feel it’s only fair to give it a read and share the link.