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This isn’t the world I want to live in.

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Furret Sat 08-Mar-25 18:31:19

And I’m not the only one. So many friends, of a similar age to me, voicing the same thoughts.

So depressing. The world we knew, the values we held deeply, the hope for the future of our grandchildren - all gone. Destroyed.

These aren’t suicidal thoughts being expressed, more a feeling that we are have perhaps outlived our time and would ‘go gentle that good night’ when the time comes.

grammargran Tue 11-Mar-25 07:54:06

Well, it’s certainly not Gloucester Oreo as some Cheltonians would have you believe. And nanna8, I really do think this thread needs lightening up a little, don’t you agree? We just can’t go around looking in the gutter all the time, we have to look up and see the stars. I was born just days before the outbreak of the Second World War. The most frightening time for me was the Cuban missile crisis. I was just married and remember thinking “I shan’t get to have my own family now” - then Russia pulled back and here I am today, blessed with great grand children. For us here in the UK and for me personally, we are nowhere near that moment and for that reason alone I refuse to be downhearted.

nanna8 Mon 10-Mar-25 23:45:37

I didn’t know this was a comedy thread MadeInYorkshire. You’re behaving a laugh, aren’t you ?

Oreo Mon 10-Mar-25 22:24:08

Yes, I usually watch the racing when I have time, wonder where the oiks all come from?

Allira Mon 10-Mar-25 22:21:04

Oreo

Allira

valdavi

yes we should rage - but I totally get what the OP means. All the kindness we were taught as we grew up "boys never hit girls" " gentlemanly behaviour". & "I'm alright Jack" was for spivs & ridiculed; "it's not the winning but the taking part" "virtue is it's own reward" "waste not want not".

Who would bring their kids up to these traditional precepts these days? A recipe for failure in today's "who's elbows are sharpest" personal & political landscape.And then you have the internet.... despaired of even by it's originator. And then, not so culpable cos till a short time ago we weren't aware but - we're wrecking the planet. For me the last is the biggy.

Well, that resonated with me because there was a feature in the local news this evening about how young women in Cheltenham are concerned about going out in town when the Cheltenham Festival is due and when it is on.

They are subjected, by a minority I should stress, to a barrage of unpleasant innuendo, sexual comments, not just from young men but, as one student said, men in their late 70s. Presumably they are drunk (although this can happen in the mornings too) but I hope there'll be extra police on duty - if they were arrested and locked up for the duration of the races, perhaps they might think twice about their behaviour. Even schoolgirls on their way to school have been harassed.

Have they ever been taught respect for women and girls?

In Cheltenham! Heavens to Betsy😖

It's the visitors to the Cheltenham Festival apparently, big event in the racing calendar.

Oreo Mon 10-Mar-25 22:20:13

Barleyfields

You seem to be a conspiracy theorist MadeinYorkshire. What a load of nonsense.

Isn’t it just 😆

Oreo Mon 10-Mar-25 22:17:20

Allira

valdavi

yes we should rage - but I totally get what the OP means. All the kindness we were taught as we grew up "boys never hit girls" " gentlemanly behaviour". & "I'm alright Jack" was for spivs & ridiculed; "it's not the winning but the taking part" "virtue is it's own reward" "waste not want not".

Who would bring their kids up to these traditional precepts these days? A recipe for failure in today's "who's elbows are sharpest" personal & political landscape.And then you have the internet.... despaired of even by it's originator. And then, not so culpable cos till a short time ago we weren't aware but - we're wrecking the planet. For me the last is the biggy.

Well, that resonated with me because there was a feature in the local news this evening about how young women in Cheltenham are concerned about going out in town when the Cheltenham Festival is due and when it is on.

They are subjected, by a minority I should stress, to a barrage of unpleasant innuendo, sexual comments, not just from young men but, as one student said, men in their late 70s. Presumably they are drunk (although this can happen in the mornings too) but I hope there'll be extra police on duty - if they were arrested and locked up for the duration of the races, perhaps they might think twice about their behaviour. Even schoolgirls on their way to school have been harassed.

Have they ever been taught respect for women and girls?

In Cheltenham! Heavens to Betsy😖

Oreo Mon 10-Mar-25 22:15:18

Casdon

I’ve been thinking about this thread, and rather than the misquote that started it, I’m more of the mind of Dylan Thomas.

‘Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.’

I’m not giving way to melancholy or succumbing to the golden glow of the past, we have to live for now, and enjoy what we have - and burning and raving suits me better.

Me too 😄

Lilyflower Mon 10-Mar-25 22:13:41

It will all be fine as it always is.

Handwringing and despair only feed the idea that Putin and Xi share that the West is pusillanimous and weak.

Show courage, resilience and optimism. Think things will be well and they will be.

PilgrimQuill Mon 10-Mar-25 20:26:40

A great man once said, "And there shall be signs ... distress of nations, with perplexity ...Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth...
And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads ...when you see these things come to pass, know that the kingdom of God is near.

Add to it from another great man "The most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men."

And the first great man clinches it for today's living as "Love God and your neighbour as yourself"

So it all comes back to daffodils - we put the bulbs in the ground but it isn't us who makes them grow. It is us who rejoice in them...

Let's live, laugh, love. That's what I do.

Allira Mon 10-Mar-25 19:58:13

valdavi

yes we should rage - but I totally get what the OP means. All the kindness we were taught as we grew up "boys never hit girls" " gentlemanly behaviour". & "I'm alright Jack" was for spivs & ridiculed; "it's not the winning but the taking part" "virtue is it's own reward" "waste not want not".

Who would bring their kids up to these traditional precepts these days? A recipe for failure in today's "who's elbows are sharpest" personal & political landscape.And then you have the internet.... despaired of even by it's originator. And then, not so culpable cos till a short time ago we weren't aware but - we're wrecking the planet. For me the last is the biggy.

Well, that resonated with me because there was a feature in the local news this evening about how young women in Cheltenham are concerned about going out in town when the Cheltenham Festival is due and when it is on.

They are subjected, by a minority I should stress, to a barrage of unpleasant innuendo, sexual comments, not just from young men but, as one student said, men in their late 70s. Presumably they are drunk (although this can happen in the mornings too) but I hope there'll be extra police on duty - if they were arrested and locked up for the duration of the races, perhaps they might think twice about their behaviour. Even schoolgirls on their way to school have been harassed.

Have they ever been taught respect for women and girls?

Paddington1914 Mon 10-Mar-25 19:39:09

Me too!

Frenchgalinspain Mon 10-Mar-25 19:29:04

There are so many uncountable challenges that we all face at the moment regardless of which countray we reside in ..

We are both worried about our 3 grandchildren and our twin daughters and their husbands.

We are less worried about our younger twin daughter and her husband and little girl as they live in Zürich, Switzerland.

We cringe at the afternoon news broadcasts.

We are totally against bullying and phishing Trump.

My husband was born and raised in The Madrid Capital and we are together, married almost 33 years and live in a few metres from (walkable) the urban centre of Madrid.

sunglow12 Mon 10-Mar-25 18:59:53

We should try to stay positive for the sake of our families if possible . My very wise father in law said each generation learns to cope with the world in their own way .Things often don’t turn to be as bad or the same as what we worry about in the end . 😀X

Doodledog Mon 10-Mar-25 18:25:44

I don't see myself as pollyanna, as someone seemed to suggest upthread. I can get as worried as the next woman; but I am blowed if I am going to let numpties like Putin and Trump spoil what I have left of my life.

I was a toddler in the Cuban Missile Crisis, and my mum was terrified for me and my baby sister. The Cold War continued throughout my childhood, the IRA was trying to blow people up in my teens (and often succeeding), and I was newly married when we got a leaflet through the door called Protect and Survive - advice about sellotaping windows and using tea towels as masks to avoid breathing in contaminated air in the event of a nuclear blast.

My first baby was born during the Gulf War, when people were citing Nostradamus' predictions of 'birds from the East' ending the world. I was terrified for him, and wondered what I was thinking, bringing a baby into such a world.

Soon after, BSE was supposedly going to kill us all and leave my babies orphans, and that was after a decade of being told that AIDS would carry us all off too. Then there was Swine Flu, Covid and so on.

I'm still here, though, merrily (or grumpily) posting on GN and dancing in my kitchen to the Ramones when my breathing allows.

I don't deny that things are grim. We don't know the half, as I said upthread. But letting bad news spoil the rest of our lives isn't going to make a difference. We will just have spoilt what's left of our lives. Usually, when people say there is nothing they can do, my reaction is to ask what they've tried that hasn't worked, and that often shows up that there is plenty that can be done, but they just don't want to be the one to do it. In this case, we are all powerless. If things get worse, who knows - there may turn out to be something we can do, and I'll do my best to do it. If not, well, the very best thing we can do is keep our spirits up and plod on.

valdavi Mon 10-Mar-25 18:22:07

yes we should rage - but I totally get what the OP means. All the kindness we were taught as we grew up "boys never hit girls" " gentlemanly behaviour". & "I'm alright Jack" was for spivs & ridiculed; "it's not the winning but the taking part" "virtue is it's own reward" "waste not want not".

Who would bring their kids up to these traditional precepts these days? A recipe for failure in today's "who's elbows are sharpest" personal & political landscape.And then you have the internet.... despaired of even by it's originator. And then, not so culpable cos till a short time ago we weren't aware but - we're wrecking the planet. For me the last is the biggy.

Gwan1 Mon 10-Mar-25 18:20:25

Life is like a bus journey ,enjoy the stops along the way.

grammargran Mon 10-Mar-25 18:12:24

With you all the way Casdon - and I love a bit of Dylan Thomas.

glasshalffullagain Mon 10-Mar-25 17:55:07

As I said when the personal and societal collide, things can seem bleak.

Cath9 Mon 10-Mar-25 17:54:29

There are pros and cons of this age.
I will admit I don’t fancy living in an age of AI when turning to the computer age was bad enough

Casdon Mon 10-Mar-25 17:50:10

I’ve been thinking about this thread, and rather than the misquote that started it, I’m more of the mind of Dylan Thomas.

‘Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.’

I’m not giving way to melancholy or succumbing to the golden glow of the past, we have to live for now, and enjoy what we have - and burning and raving suits me better.

petra Mon 10-Mar-25 17:36:03

MadeInYorkshire
It must be a very frightening place inside your brain 😱

grammargran Mon 10-Mar-25 17:36:03

Goodness, I was feeling pretty good about life until I started reading through this thread! However, swimming against the tide, I am not going to let the gloom and doom which is practically vibrating off the screen get to me. We have the Spring to look forward to, such a wonderful season, and we are living in what is still a pretty decent country. There are loads worse, North Korea springs to mind, any country with totalitarian regimes, the impoverished African countries, no bankruptcies if you can’t afford medical treatment - just try living in any of these even for a short time. You have all been granted the wonderful gift of life, use it to the best of your ability. Stop worrying about things you can’t change - as an earlier wise poster said “it’s above your pay grade”. If you live a comfortable life, you will get much joy out of helping others less fortunate, revel in your family, help them as much as you can & don’t let them think of you as a grumpy old woman. It’s so easy to dwell on the miseries of this world. Keep yourself informed by all means, but YOU cannot put an end to them, just brighten and lighten your part of it. End of homily - now get up and just smile, it’s quite catching, you’ll find people smiling back at you and things won’t seem so grim …..

petra Mon 10-Mar-25 17:27:15

CariadAgain
This piece claims that if there is a ^worldly person* in the congregation at a JW wedding the service won’t go ahead

www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5190949793693696/jws-allowed-have-close-non-jw-friends

Caro41 Mon 10-Mar-25 17:16:20

Many older people say that they wouldn’t want to be born now
but we accept the world we grow up in just as it is .Yes , after a period of stability, the whole world is in a state of flux but there is nothing you can do . By that I don’t mean we should wash our hands of all issues, such as Ukraine, but we can help more by supporting groups in this country and sending things through supply chains rather than wringing our hands and getting depressed.
Not many young children would enjoy the constrictions of the world we knew . If you don’t allow your worries to affect them they will grow up attuned to their times and able to cope .

M0nica Mon 10-Mar-25 17:15:36

I have been away for a couple of days so have just seen this thread and could not disagree with it more. It is classic old generation thinking by every older generation since Adam was a boy.

I sometime wonder whether it is something our brains are programmed to do to help us long for death that cannot be far away.

My grandparents married and had children in the run up to WW1, where my grandfather died. Became grandparents during WW2 and lived into the Cold War and the constant fear of immediate destruction. Is life really any worse now?

The older of those among us were the 60s generation that tore up the rule box and went all out for sex, drugs and rock and roll, and oh, how the older generation hated it. Does nobody remember the torrent of horror and fear that filled the older generation then, the papers, TV, Any Questions on the radio? Just like the fears expressed by the OP and others on this thread.

As I said, every older generation has done this since time immemoriable. The generations younger than us face problems that we did not face, just as we faced problems that they do not face.

But there is good news too. Remember the ozone hole in the altmosphere? A hole through which ultra-violet rays were able to reach the earth and made sun bathing potentially lethal because it caused skin cancer. Well the substances that caused it are used no more but we were told it might be hundreds of years before the hole in the atmosphere closed. Well, it is nearly closed, it has closed briefly this year, by 2035 we could well have a year withoit it opening at all and by the end of the century, it will be permanent.

This opens up hope for global warming. Becuase if we get it under control it too may well be much easier and quicker to deal with than we fear.

So, yes, problems and difficulties face new generations that we have never faced, but they also face opportunities and hopes that we never had. I intend to remain a cock-eyed optomist until the day I am dragged screaming and shouting into the next world, if there is one.