Is Politics Devoid Of ANY Humanity?

I do agree, btw, I just find it ironic.
What's ironic?

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I clicked on your link MaizieD just now. I thought ‘I’ve got 20 minutes before I have to leave for school pick up”.

However I was dismayed to see it’s 250 pages long! Yikes.
Thank you anyway.

I’m sure it’s worthy …

That was she short version, FGT.

But you don't have to read every single word. There's a summary of his proposals (with projected tax take to be gained) from P11, with detail of each one further into the report.

He says that they don't all have to be implemented at once. He's just identifying possible areas where taxation could be increased or implemented.

To answer the OP, there often is humanity in politics but very little in bureaucracy.

Barleyfields

Didn’t you start a thread about people going into workhouses yesterday? Are you content for people capable of work to live on benefits?

Yes, if they are apable of working, but unable to get a job, I am thankful they can apply for and receive benefits.

No.

mae13

The Government slashing into the disabled and the Opposition howling that it's "too little too late" and urging further restrictions?
Let's go the whole hog and throw open the doors of the old Victorian Workhouses, consign the female inmates to scrubbing floors and their male counterparts can make themselves useful breaking rocks......

God save us, but what has happened to make compassion redundant in this country?

It’s alarming to see such a mischaracterisation of the government’s intentions.

The recent announcements are a step toward more effective support for those in need, rather than a return to outdated systems of punishment and neglect. Compassion isn’t about throwing money indiscriminately; it’s about implementing solutions that help people regain independence and dignity.

Rather than retreating to the old ways of the workhouses, we should commend efforts that focus on empowerment and rehabilitation. We must embrace a future that prioritises practical assistance over nostalgia for failed approaches.

MaizieD

M0nica

mae13 How would you finance the huge growth in the cost of sickness benefits were nothing done?

Please do not roll out the tax the wealthy argument unless you can define what wealthy means and how much tax your suggestion would raise.

I have linked several times to this paper, MOnics, written by an expert, founder of the Tax Justice Campaign. He’s done the work, made the analyses and proposed many areas in which ‘wealth’ could be taxed. There has never been a sniff of a reaction, favourable or unfavourable, from anyone on this forum. Perhaps you’d like to do a critique?

Or is it more fun to demand that complete amateurs must come up with solutions that satisfy you?

I can't believe we won't have a tax on extreme wealth MaizieD. I think it's just a question of when.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I clicked on your link MaizieD just now. I thought ‘I’ve got 20 minutes before I have to leave for school pick up”.

However I was dismayed to see it’s 250 pages long! Yikes.
Thank you anyway.

I’m sure it’s worthy …

You can easily scroll through to the suggestions.

It was daunting until I read a bit, worked out how to find the pertinent information. Or the information I felt was pertinent.

Barleyfields

I doubt mae will respond MOnica. Her MO seems to be light blue touch paper with goady post, then retreat.

Barleyfields: a dyed in the wool Reeves/Starmer disciple!

And when they come for you, Barleyfields?

How wrong you are. I’m a Conservative voter. Not very observant are you?

What do you mean by ‘and when they come for [me]’?

Allira

Doodledog

Neither party wants people capable of work to be supported by those who do work and have no choice but to pay taxes. It is unfair, it fuels resentment and means that cuts to things like WFA have to be made, and the pension age keeps creeping up.

If everyone worked who could do so, there would be more generous benefits for those who need them, and more to spend on pensions, the NHS and so on. We have an aging society and the number of 'economically inactive' is increasing across the age range. Those claiming sickness benefits has increased exponentially since Covid, which is not true of other countries.

From what I have seen of the proposed cuts, they seem fair, and designed to help people into work, rather than to punish the unemployed. I am concerned about the under-22 year olds who might lose out, but I do understand that the point is to cut down the number of people going straight from education onto benefits. I'm not sure what the best way to deal with that is. Care leavers and vulnerable young people need a lot more support, but IMO we need to move more towards benefits being contributions-based for those who are capable of work.

I do agree, btw, I just find it ironic.

But the main thing is to make the challenge. The failure to respond is an answer in itself.

mae13

Barleyfields

I doubt mae will respond MOnica. Her MO seems to be light blue touch paper with goady post, then retreat.

Barleyfields: a dyed in the wool Reeves/Starmer disciple!

What rubbish!

If you start a thread, mae13, might it be a good idea to read all the responses?

Barleyfields

How wrong you are. I’m a Conservative voter. Not very observant are you?

What do you mean by ‘and when they come for [me]’?

Very strange comment Barleyfields

Not to be taken seriously.

Very strange indeed.

Very strange indeed. However, from someone who identifies Barleyfields as a dyed in the wool Reeves/Starmer disciple perhaps we have to accept Strange

mae13

Barleyfields

I doubt mae will respond MOnica. Her MO seems to be light blue touch paper with goady post, then retreat.

Barleyfields: a dyed in the wool Reeves/Starmer disciple!

Are you 6?

"But now I am Six, I'm as clever as clever, So I think I'll be six now for ever and ever"

I wonder whether it’s become more obvious abou much little we have compared to those with much more because of freedom information
But Sharon clean those floors quicker etc

I do need chocolate

Allira

"But now I am Six, I'm as clever as clever, So I think I'll be six now for ever and ever"

That is what the six year old believes because they know so little about life.

The Importance of Being Seven - but seven year olds do know absolutely everything and never tire of letting you know that.

Of course your child may respond inthis way Allira, just as some adult do. However, it is crucial to teach and encourage children and young adults a healthy awareness of their knowledge boundaries.

This involves teaching them not only the information itself but also the importance of questioning, exploring, and recognising the limitations of their understanding. By doing that we will equip them with the tools necessary to navigate a complex world, fostering a generation that values curiosity and critical thinking. It seems we have not always been successful at doing this with previous generations.

Barleyfields

I doubt mae will respond MOnica. Her MO seems to be light blue touch paper with goady post, then retreat.

A few people like that to be honest.

Perhaps OP is busy?

Allira

Barleyfields

How wrong you are. I’m a Conservative voter. Not very observant are you?

What do you mean by ‘and when they come for [me]’?

Very strange comment Barleyfields

Not to be taken seriously.

I think it is a reference to the Martin Niemoller poem ( he was a German pastor, and opponent of nazism in Germany)

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
........................................................
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

I think she rather flatters herself.