Small boat migrants to the UK are 36% UP on this time last year.

Casdon

GrannyGravy13

If it’s being tackled slowly but surely why are the numbers of people arriving on small boats up?

ITV was reporting increasing numbers on the news this morning.

Labour had many years in opposition to formulate their plan, whilst opposing and deriding every plan the government came up with, without offering any solutions.

The number of boats is up because we have had unseasonably calm seas. We’ve discussed lots of times on here before how that is the major determining factor. January-March is usually wet and wild, and it has been noticeably less so this year, particularly in the last month. They are waiting to come all the time.

I know they are waiting to come all the time, I know the seas have been unseasonably calm.

I also know that as soon as one gang is smashed another is waiting to step in.

There has to be a credible deterrent and threats of smashing the gangs isn’t it.

Barleyfields

This doesn’t seem to be bearing much fruit does it Wyllow?

What, in a month?

GrannyGravy13

Casdon

GrannyGravy13

If it’s being tackled slowly but surely why are the numbers of people arriving on small boats up?

ITV was reporting increasing numbers on the news this morning.

Labour had many years in opposition to formulate their plan, whilst opposing and deriding every plan the government came up with, without offering any solutions.

The number of boats is up because we have had unseasonably calm seas. We’ve discussed lots of times on here before how that is the major determining factor. January-March is usually wet and wild, and it has been noticeably less so this year, particularly in the last month. They are waiting to come all the time.

I know they are waiting to come all the time, I know the seas have been unseasonably calm.

I also know that as soon as one gang is smashed another is waiting to step in.

There has to be a credible deterrent and threats of smashing the gangs isn’t it.

No one deterrent is the answer though. It needs tackling from multiple angles, across the whole of Europe. That is the only thing that will help long term, the uk can only do so much without a Europe wide approach.

Casdon I agree that a Europe wide plan is needed.

Have we heard that even one gang has been ‘smashed’? If we have, the news has passed me by.

Upon thinking about it, if the EU manage to come up with a plan of action which puts an end to the migrants hiding in the sand dunes around Calais then the UK will benefit by default.

We haven’t Barleyfields. You’re right - if there was good news in that respect it would’ve been front page news!

Casdon

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Wyllow3

Its central government funded FGT wherever you live.

This I do know Wyllow.
Until Labour come up with a viable plan, Rachel Reeces’ sums will continue to give her a headache. Imagine factoring all this into her Spring Statement tomorrow!

Were you expecting a magic wand? That’s the only reasonable way that in eight months Labour could have stopped the boats. This a a very complex problem, with very complex solutions, which are being tackled slowly but surely.

But if the main factor is nice weather, how does the "tackled slowly but surely" work?

Now noticed your Europe answer.

Hmm.
I always have a very dim view of anything at all that needs a whole of Europe solution.
Doesnt happen I dont think.

Any "answer" has to be a legally binding one, In my opinion.
And a Political will for it to happen in the first place.

I dont think the general publis is seeing either?

Mere words are meaningless.

I agree fancythat. Europe comprises too many countries with differing interests and priorities. We need a solution for the UK. That may of course require liaison and agreement with certain other European countries but an agreement with all of them is unlikely to be achieved, certainly any time soon.

Barleyfields

Have we heard that even one gang has been ‘smashed’? If we have, the news has passed me by.

No Political will again.

Gosh, I am feeling a Conspiracy Theory coming on.
Hard not to when we dont see actions.

And still they come in the meantime.
We cannot afford this.

We can’t afford it. With the calmer summer weather to come I can’t begin to imagine the numbers which will reach our shores this year. And our PM is a human rights lawyer of course … no chance of Article 8 of the ECHR ceasing to apply, and HR ‘lawyers’ will continue to fabricate stories for their clients at the taxpayers’ expense - get baptised, say you’re gay etc etc - whilst legal aid is unavailable for so many UK citizens.

There's no joined up thinking in Europe about this problem. Each country does their own thing, and acts in their own interests, of course. I read that Belgium has been returning the boats leaving from their shores. The result is that small boat crossings from Belgium have virtually stopped. I don't believe that France is serious about wanting to sort the situation out regarding the boats.

I dont know as much as some about this subject.
If Article 8 ceased to apply, do all EU Countries then need to do the same?

No, fancythat, the UK is free to opt out on its own - but hell will freeze over first with Starmer in charge.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Well that’s a disappointment then.
No ‘actual’ deterrent.
The rest just rock up, escorted by Border Force and in time (whilst waiting for their applications to be considered) are housed, fed and watered, clothed and given treatment by doctors, nurses and dentists.

No wonder they still come.
We have Mersey Farm up the road and the Cresta Court Hotel in Altrincham (5 miles away) being used locally by migrant males.

Each area in the UK will be forking out for similar largesse.

You don't half talk some absolute rubbish.

What’s rubbish about it?

Barleyfields

What’s rubbish about it?

I'm asking the same

Let’s face it, the only long term way to stop this is to sort out those countries people are coming from. Cutting aid to them isn’t going to help.

Do people not know that we have one of the fewest numbers of asylum seekers here, France has nearly 3 x as many and Germany has millions.
As has been pointed out, many times, there is no option for people to apply before they get here, they have to get here first, then they can apply. Hence the boats.

vegansrock

Let’s face it, the only long term way to stop this is to sort out those countries people are coming from. Cutting aid to them isn’t going to help.

Yep, I think you are correct.

These people are coming from countries with corrupt politicians, war on those who are different and violent gangs.

I would like to see a system whereby those wishing to apply for asylum in the U.K. could do so in offices of our Embassies abroad.

I do not want to see anymore deaths in the channel.

I do not want to see anymore gang members and gang masters becoming rich on the back of human beings misery.

I recalled that there have been discussions on tightening up Article 8 so googled - this was the overview

"Yes, the Labour Party has proposed changes to Article 8 of the Human Rights Act in the context of immigration, aiming to tighten the application of the provision and make it harder for foreign nationals to challenge deportations on human rights grounds.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

Focus on Tightening Article 8:

Labour's proposals aim to ensure the system works more effectively by tightening the application of Article 8, which concerns the right to respect for private and family life.

Increased Removals:
The Labour government plans to increase removals of those with no right to be in the UK.

This is mentioned in the Telegraph (3 days ago) Express (2 days ago) but they have paywalls so I cant report, and relate to pressure to move ahead with these changes.

Barleyfields

No, fancythat, the UK is free to opt out on its own - but hell will freeze over first with Starmer in charge.

Good gosh.
The "answer" is as easy as that.