Small boat migrants to the UK are 36% UP on this time last year.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Surely we need to reduce the pull factor so the irregular migrants prefer to stay in France. Swap those hotel rooms for tents on remote Scottish islands. This will reduce costs and the incentive to land on treasure Island.

Hotel owners in the NW are happy to take the dollar.

Kandinsky why do you say a legal route isn’t going to happen?
Why ever not? Applying through a British embassy abroad for instance coukd work.
I would like to see a change of attitude from those who lump all ‘furriners’ together as nere do wells and recommend a recent tv programme called Go back to where you Came From, which is about 6 Brits, majority of them happy to say they were strongly anti immigrant and frankly racist.

Economic Migrants and asylum seekers are people just as we are. I know many who are decent, hardworking people who have been able to contribute a lot to their new country, which happens to be Germany, 🇩🇪

fancythat

Casdon

Yes, Kandinsky, it will happen. A pound to a penny that is part of the future plans to control entry to the UK.

So why has it not happened already?
It has been 6 years so far?

New government, new approach. I don’t think it will happen immediately, but it is inevitable, and will be accompanied by faster processing, and deportation for those who are not eligible.

Casdon

Yes, Kandinsky, it will happen. A pound to a penny that is part of the future plans to control entry to the UK.

So why has it not happened already?
It has been 6 years so far?

Surely we need to reduce the pull factor so the irregular migrants prefer to stay in France. Swap those hotel rooms for tents on remote Scottish islands. This will reduce costs and the incentive to land on treasure Island.

Yes, Kandinsky, it will happen. A pound to a penny that is part of the future plans to control entry to the UK.

What people have said is that they want a legal route to enable people to apply legitimately for asylum in the UK

But that’s not going to happen is it.
So back in the real world - what do you want to see happening?

petra

CariadAgain
They are not going outside their remit. They don’t discriminate as to who they pick up. If you are in trouble and send out a MayDay call, they will be there.

Yes, that's why we support them. For those in peril on the sea.

People don’t answer a question when it is obvious that the poster hasn’t actually properly read their previous responses. If she/he had, they would know that nobody at all said that they are happy for ‘unlimited boatloads of immigrants to keep on arriving in the UK*. What people have said is that they want a legal route to enable people to apply legitimately for asylum in the UK. Summary - ask a dumb question, nobody will answer.

petra

CariadAgain
They are not going outside their remit. They don’t discriminate as to who they pick up. If you are in trouble and send out a MayDay call, they will be there.

As it should be. Sending people to their death is not the way.

I would be very interested in your response to Kandinsky’s question as above. Are you happy with the situation as it is and happy for unlimited boatloads of immigrants to keep on arriving in the UK. Do you foresee any problems for society in the longer term as well?

They never answer questions like this.
Not sure why…..

Exactly petra. - using their words, their role is ‘to help protect and save those in peril at sea.’ A large number of people in a rubber dingy who request help are indeed in peril at sea.

petra

CariadAgain
They are not going outside their remit. They don’t discriminate as to who they pick up. If you are in trouble and send out a MayDay call, they will be there.

Absolutely correct! It's not up to the RNLI to police our shores and check paperwork if people are drowning.

A free taxi service? No problemo, shove em back in the sea.

You disgust me .

CariadAgain
They are not going outside their remit. They don’t discriminate as to who they pick up. If you are in trouble and send out a MayDay call, they will be there.

Casdon

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Wyllow3

Its central government funded FGT wherever you live.

This I do know Wyllow.
Until Labour come up with a viable plan, Rachel Reeces’ sums will continue to give her a headache. Imagine factoring all this into her Spring Statement tomorrow!

Were you expecting a magic wand? That’s the only reasonable way that in eight months Labour could have stopped the boats. This a a very complex problem, with very complex solutions, which are being tackled slowly but surely.

Even if only some elements of the plan to protect our shores could be started up immediately it would help.

How long does it take, for instance, to contact the RNLI and tell them to stop acting as a free taxi service for them right now and have someone look up whether any penalties (financial or otherwise) could be imposed on the RNLI if it keeps going outside its remit and picking these people up - rather than sticking to what it's actually there for (ie rescuing genuine sailors etc in genuine trouble).

I agree. I dont agree with the last part of her post.

But this bit I do find a puzzle.
In my experience there were legal routes by which people could enter the country and claim asylum. I can’t believe these no longer exist so it’s no wonder desperate people resort to a dangerous entry route

I have started a thread about International and Uk law about the subject.
But a quick google seems to indicate that although "boundaries were being pushed" by Suella Braverman and Rishi in 2023, not sure much has been done since?

Mostly the people I met were well educated and would be an asset to the country if allowed to work. They were keen on education and their children generally did well at school

What children?
Most of these asylum seekers are young single men.

I wonder how many asylum seekers people posting here have actually met? Personal contact such as I had when working makes such a difference in seeing asylum seekers as human beings not just a nameless mass who ‘swamp our country’ (not my words). In my experience there were legal routes by which people could enter the country and claim asylum. I can’t believe these no longer exist so it’s no wonder desperate people resort to a dangerous entry route. Mostly the people I met were well educated and would be an asset to the country if allowed to work. They were keen on education and their children generally did well at school. As a country with a declining population we need young people to support an ageing population. A humane and long term view is needed. Provision for asylum seekers now is a potential investment in the future.

Whitewavemark2

This

“The right to seek asylum is a legal right we all share. It isn't illegal to seek asylum, because seeking asylum is a legal process”

No it isnt illegal to seek it.

But the getting here first and then doing it, is illegal.
And the thread is talking about small boats.
They are entering illegally.

sparkynan

I think the only way that will ever stop illegal immigrants is to make it better and invest in the country’s they are escaping from. We also need to make it highly difficult for them to stay in the uk. No hotel rooms. I’d build a few thousand chalets such as the cheap holiday ones and they have to share and work the land for food. We have to make it really uncomfortable for them to live here. the United Kingdom is not going to survive the constant arrival.

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I think the only way that will ever stop illegal immigrants is to make it better and invest in the country’s they are escaping from. We also need to make it highly difficult for them to stay in the uk. No hotel rooms. I’d build a few thousand chalets such as the cheap holiday ones and they have to share and work the land for food. We have to make it really uncomfortable for them to live here. the United Kingdom is not going to survive the constant arrival.

Whitewavemark2

This

“The right to seek asylum is a legal right we all share. It isn't illegal to seek asylum, because seeking asylum is a legal process”

I would be very interested in your response to Kandinsky’s question as above. Are you happy with the situation as it is and happy for unlimited boatloads of immigrants to keep on arriving in the UK. Do you foresee any problems for society in the longer term as well?

This

“The right to seek asylum is a legal right we all share. It isn't illegal to seek asylum, because seeking asylum is a legal process”

^ there is no legal way to travel to the UK for the specific purpose of seeking asylum.^

Quite