Small boat migrants to the UK are 36% UP on this time last year.

I never buy ‘fleeing for their lives’ fancythat. By the time they get to the UK they have passed through several safe countries and are no longer fleeing. And before anyone says it, I know they are not obliged to apply for asylum in the first safe country they reach.

Thousands or millions of other people have to.

If they cant apply before they get here, that needs to change as well.

Again, Political will.

In the context of UK immigration, "Article 8" refers to the right to respect for private and family life, as outlined in the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), which can be relevant when an individual is facing deportation or removal from the U

I dont see how. But I am not a lawyer.

Cant see how that stops boats either.

As far as I can see up to now, there needs to be Political will. And that seems scant.

glasshalffullagain

It's been a few days since we had " your starter for 10" from FGT.

Ah Well.

How nice those days were, I miss them....

silverlining48

Do people not know that we have one of the fewest numbers of asylum seekers here, France has nearly 3 x as many and Germany has millions.
As has been pointed out, many times, there is no option for people to apply before they get here, they have to get here first, then they can apply. Hence the boats.

Well said.

silverlining48

Do people not know that we have one of the fewest numbers of asylum seekers here, France has nearly 3 x as many and Germany has millions.
As has been pointed out, many times, there is no option for people to apply before they get here, they have to get here first, then they can apply. Hence the boats.

Ok if many people want them or need them or can employ them or integrate them easily or whatever.
Or are genuine fleeing for their lives.

I'd also like a system of the opportunity of applying abroad GG13, I'm presuming the practicalities are not easy.

Deedaa

Barleyfields We need an effective way of because if they could apply for asylum before they crossed the channel we would not be swamped with asylum seekers who will probably be turned down anyway.

66% of asylum seekers are awarded refugee status.

Barleyfields

No, fancythat, the UK is free to opt out on its own - but hell will freeze over first with Starmer in charge.

Good gosh.
The "answer" is as easy as that.

I recalled that there have been discussions on tightening up Article 8 so googled - this was the overview

"Yes, the Labour Party has proposed changes to Article 8 of the Human Rights Act in the context of immigration, aiming to tighten the application of the provision and make it harder for foreign nationals to challenge deportations on human rights grounds.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

Focus on Tightening Article 8:

Labour's proposals aim to ensure the system works more effectively by tightening the application of Article 8, which concerns the right to respect for private and family life.

Increased Removals:
The Labour government plans to increase removals of those with no right to be in the UK.

This is mentioned in the Telegraph (3 days ago) Express (2 days ago) but they have paywalls so I cant report, and relate to pressure to move ahead with these changes.

vegansrock

Let’s face it, the only long term way to stop this is to sort out those countries people are coming from. Cutting aid to them isn’t going to help.

Yep, I think you are correct.

These people are coming from countries with corrupt politicians, war on those who are different and violent gangs.

I would like to see a system whereby those wishing to apply for asylum in the U.K. could do so in offices of our Embassies abroad.

I do not want to see anymore deaths in the channel.

I do not want to see anymore gang members and gang masters becoming rich on the back of human beings misery.

Do people not know that we have one of the fewest numbers of asylum seekers here, France has nearly 3 x as many and Germany has millions.
As has been pointed out, many times, there is no option for people to apply before they get here, they have to get here first, then they can apply. Hence the boats.

Let’s face it, the only long term way to stop this is to sort out those countries people are coming from. Cutting aid to them isn’t going to help.

Barleyfields

What’s rubbish about it?

I'm asking the same

What’s rubbish about it?

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Well that’s a disappointment then.
No ‘actual’ deterrent.
The rest just rock up, escorted by Border Force and in time (whilst waiting for their applications to be considered) are housed, fed and watered, clothed and given treatment by doctors, nurses and dentists.

No wonder they still come.
We have Mersey Farm up the road and the Cresta Court Hotel in Altrincham (5 miles away) being used locally by migrant males.

Each area in the UK will be forking out for similar largesse.

You don't half talk some absolute rubbish.

No, fancythat, the UK is free to opt out on its own - but hell will freeze over first with Starmer in charge.

I dont know as much as some about this subject.
If Article 8 ceased to apply, do all EU Countries then need to do the same?

There's no joined up thinking in Europe about this problem. Each country does their own thing, and acts in their own interests, of course. I read that Belgium has been returning the boats leaving from their shores. The result is that small boat crossings from Belgium have virtually stopped. I don't believe that France is serious about wanting to sort the situation out regarding the boats.

We can’t afford it. With the calmer summer weather to come I can’t begin to imagine the numbers which will reach our shores this year. And our PM is a human rights lawyer of course … no chance of Article 8 of the ECHR ceasing to apply, and HR ‘lawyers’ will continue to fabricate stories for their clients at the taxpayers’ expense - get baptised, say you’re gay etc etc - whilst legal aid is unavailable for so many UK citizens.

And still they come in the meantime.
We cannot afford this.

Barleyfields

Have we heard that even one gang has been ‘smashed’? If we have, the news has passed me by.

No Political will again.

Gosh, I am feeling a Conspiracy Theory coming on.
Hard not to when we dont see actions.

I agree fancythat. Europe comprises too many countries with differing interests and priorities. We need a solution for the UK. That may of course require liaison and agreement with certain other European countries but an agreement with all of them is unlikely to be achieved, certainly any time soon.

Any "answer" has to be a legally binding one, In my opinion.
And a Political will for it to happen in the first place.

I dont think the general publis is seeing either?

Mere words are meaningless.