Small boat migrants to the UK are 36% UP on this time last year.

Now noticed your Europe answer.

Hmm.
I always have a very dim view of anything at all that needs a whole of Europe solution.
Doesnt happen I dont think.

Casdon

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Wyllow3

Its central government funded FGT wherever you live.

This I do know Wyllow.
Until Labour come up with a viable plan, Rachel Reeces’ sums will continue to give her a headache. Imagine factoring all this into her Spring Statement tomorrow!

Were you expecting a magic wand? That’s the only reasonable way that in eight months Labour could have stopped the boats. This a a very complex problem, with very complex solutions, which are being tackled slowly but surely.

But if the main factor is nice weather, how does the "tackled slowly but surely" work?

We haven’t Barleyfields. You’re right - if there was good news in that respect it would’ve been front page news!

Upon thinking about it, if the EU manage to come up with a plan of action which puts an end to the migrants hiding in the sand dunes around Calais then the UK will benefit by default.

Have we heard that even one gang has been ‘smashed’? If we have, the news has passed me by.

Casdon I agree that a Europe wide plan is needed.

GrannyGravy13

Casdon

GrannyGravy13

If it’s being tackled slowly but surely why are the numbers of people arriving on small boats up?

ITV was reporting increasing numbers on the news this morning.

Labour had many years in opposition to formulate their plan, whilst opposing and deriding every plan the government came up with, without offering any solutions.

The number of boats is up because we have had unseasonably calm seas. We’ve discussed lots of times on here before how that is the major determining factor. January-March is usually wet and wild, and it has been noticeably less so this year, particularly in the last month. They are waiting to come all the time.

I know they are waiting to come all the time, I know the seas have been unseasonably calm.

I also know that as soon as one gang is smashed another is waiting to step in.

There has to be a credible deterrent and threats of smashing the gangs isn’t it.

No one deterrent is the answer though. It needs tackling from multiple angles, across the whole of Europe. That is the only thing that will help long term, the uk can only do so much without a Europe wide approach.

Barleyfields

This doesn’t seem to be bearing much fruit does it Wyllow?

What, in a month?

Casdon

GrannyGravy13

If it’s being tackled slowly but surely why are the numbers of people arriving on small boats up?

ITV was reporting increasing numbers on the news this morning.

Labour had many years in opposition to formulate their plan, whilst opposing and deriding every plan the government came up with, without offering any solutions.

The number of boats is up because we have had unseasonably calm seas. We’ve discussed lots of times on here before how that is the major determining factor. January-March is usually wet and wild, and it has been noticeably less so this year, particularly in the last month. They are waiting to come all the time.

I know they are waiting to come all the time, I know the seas have been unseasonably calm.

I also know that as soon as one gang is smashed another is waiting to step in.

There has to be a credible deterrent and threats of smashing the gangs isn’t it.

Casdon

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Wyllow3

Its central government funded FGT wherever you live.

This I do know Wyllow.
Until Labour come up with a viable plan, Rachel Reeces’ sums will continue to give her a headache. Imagine factoring all this into her Spring Statement tomorrow!

Were you expecting a magic wand? That’s the only reasonable way that in eight months Labour could have stopped the boats. This a a very complex problem, with very complex solutions, which are being tackled slowly but surely.

I agree Casdon.
I want Labourto do well on this. But let’s face it, they’ve had 14 years in opposition to think about this. Then they cancelled (what in my view was the only viable deterrent ‘Rwanda’ straight away) and I truly believed that the had A Plan.

“Smash the Gangs” is not working.

NotSpaghetti

FGT where did you find these statistics please?

Quoted by a Border Force official on tv this morning “up 36% on this time last year and just wait for the improved weather conditions”.

GrannyGravy13

If it’s being tackled slowly but surely why are the numbers of people arriving on small boats up?

ITV was reporting increasing numbers on the news this morning.

Labour had many years in opposition to formulate their plan, whilst opposing and deriding every plan the government came up with, without offering any solutions.

The number of boats is up because we have had unseasonably calm seas. We’ve discussed lots of times on here before how that is the major determining factor. January-March is usually wet and wild, and it has been noticeably less so this year, particularly in the last month. They are waiting to come all the time.

Barleyfields We need an effective way of because if they could apply for asylum before they crossed the channel we would not be swamped with asylum seekers who will probably be turned down anyway.

If it’s being tackled slowly but surely why are the numbers of people arriving on small boats up?

ITV was reporting increasing numbers on the news this morning.

Labour had many years in opposition to formulate their plan, whilst opposing and deriding every plan the government came up with, without offering any solutions.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Wyllow3

Its central government funded FGT wherever you live.

This I do know Wyllow.
Until Labour come up with a viable plan, Rachel Reeces’ sums will continue to give her a headache. Imagine factoring all this into her Spring Statement tomorrow!

Were you expecting a magic wand? That’s the only reasonable way that in eight months Labour could have stopped the boats. This a a very complex problem, with very complex solutions, which are being tackled slowly but surely.

FGT where did you find these statistics please?

We all know there is no new master plan available FGT - it's happening all over Europe.

This doesn’t seem to be bearing much fruit does it Wyllow?

By the way, I reported on this at the time - February - not a lot of interest then as it was winter -

but progress is being made as regards intercepting small boats in Brit/French agreements

here's the summary

New UK-French action to go after smuggler gangs

UK and French Interior Minister launch new police and enforcement plans including state of the art surveillance technology to disrupt smuggling gangs in France.

www.gov.uk/government/news/new-uk-french-action-to-go-after-smuggler-gangs

Wyllow3

Its central government funded FGT wherever you live.

This I do know Wyllow.
Until Labour come up with a viable plan, Rachel Reeces’ sums will continue to give her a headache. Imagine factoring all this into her Spring Statement tomorrow!

“Ministers should set aside the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) and deport foreign criminals, a Labour MP has said.

Jonathan Brash, the MP for Hartlepool, said the Government should exercise its “perfectly legitimate” right to deport criminals by saying ECHR Article 8 rights to a family life do not apply in such cases.

He is thought to be the first Labour MP to publicly declare that the Government should ignore the ECHR in order to return convicted foreign criminals back to their home countries.

It follows a series of cases exposed by The Telegraph where illegal migrants or convicted foreign criminals have used human rights laws to remain in the UK or halt their deportations. Many have used Article 8 of the ECHR, which protects the right to respect for private and family life.

They include an Albanian criminal who avoided deportation after claiming his son had an aversion to foreign chicken nuggets and a Pakistani paedophile, who was jailed for child sex offences but escaped removal from the UK as it would be “unduly harsh” on his children.”

Its central government funded FGT wherever you live.

Well that’s a disappointment then.
No ‘actual’ deterrent.
The rest just rock up, escorted by Border Force and in time (whilst waiting for their applications to be considered) are housed, fed and watered, clothed and given treatment by doctors, nurses and dentists.

No wonder they still come.
We have Mersey Farm up the road and the Cresta Court Hotel in Altrincham (5 miles away) being used locally by migrant males.

Each area in the UK will be forking out for similar largesse.

Yes, that is my understanding Wyllow.

GrannyGravy13

It was reported on breakfast news that Labour and other European governments are looking into a third country solution as a way of processing migrants.

Is this Rwanda by another name?

No. Third country situations are for those only who have gone through and failed the asylum process but who can not be deported because their country of origin has not agreed to take them