According to Angela Rayner 'Working class people do not want "handouts" but support to find jobs.'

Loopyloo having private pensions in addition to the state pension takes you out of the lowest class but does it really matter? However, of course you are correct in saying the nuances of class are all around us. I had something pop up on fb comparing how people with "new" money dress as opposed to people with "old" money seems people care about these things! The language used to describe Angela Rayner's green suit on this forum positively dripped with class attitudes based on her back ground despite her being Deputy Prime Minister of the UK. As already said, social stratification is a tool used to classify people and it is rather a blunt one at that.

“According to Angela Rayner 'Working class people do not want "handouts" but support to find jobs.' “

There is no shortage of jobs because we are bringing in many thousands of migrants to do them, they are not the jobs that UK workers aspire to.
The debate about what is working class has nothing to do with it. For example if “support” were better wages and free tuition for nurses we would need less migrant nurses, the same could be applied to vegetable pickers and care workers.

foxie48

Loopyloo having private pensions in addition to the state pension takes you out of the lowest class but does it really matter? However, of course you are correct in saying the nuances of class are all around us. I had something pop up on fb comparing how people with "new" money dress as opposed to people with "old" money seems people care about these things! The language used to describe Angela Rayner's green suit on this forum positively dripped with class attitudes based on her back ground despite her being Deputy Prime Minister of the UK. As already said, social stratification is a tool used to classify people and it is rather a blunt one at that.

That made me 😁 as I thought Angela Rayners trouser suit was awful and I’m a working class woman from a very working class family.The comments about it only dripped with dislike of a ludicrous outfit, nothing more.

David49

“According to Angela Rayner 'Working class people do not want "handouts" but support to find jobs.' “

There is no shortage of jobs because we are bringing in many thousands of migrants to do them, they are not the jobs that UK workers aspire to.
The debate about what is working class has nothing to do with it. For example if “support” were better wages and free tuition for nurses we would need less migrant nurses, the same could be applied to vegetable pickers and care workers.

You’re right I believe, employers should pay a bit more to encourage British workers.

Grantanow

She is getting better at avoiding interviewers' questions. Her comment about working class people preferring support to handouts is doubletalk in order to support welfare cuts.

I agree, and RR is doing the same, making out it’s easy to be ‘supported’ into work.Yeah, right! I’m afraid that a lot of people who can’t easily go out to work every day will slip through the many cracks of this crazy paving.🤬

Oreo

foxie48

Loopyloo having private pensions in addition to the state pension takes you out of the lowest class but does it really matter? However, of course you are correct in saying the nuances of class are all around us. I had something pop up on fb comparing how people with "new" money dress as opposed to people with "old" money seems people care about these things! The language used to describe Angela Rayner's green suit on this forum positively dripped with class attitudes based on her back ground despite her being Deputy Prime Minister of the UK. As already said, social stratification is a tool used to classify people and it is rather a blunt one at that.

That made me 😁 as I thought Angela Rayners trouser suit was awful and I’m a working class woman from a very working class family.The comments about it only dripped with dislike of a ludicrous outfit, nothing more.

Just one of the many comments, there are many more like this with several posts getting deleted. I haven't included the one which described her a prostitute but used a more vulgar word.
"She is devoid of taste, class and manners. Her choice of clothing today shows her for what she is"

There may have been a few who went too far, but the vast majority of posters just didn’t like the outfit.

foxie48

Oreo

foxie48

Loopyloo having private pensions in addition to the state pension takes you out of the lowest class but does it really matter? However, of course you are correct in saying the nuances of class are all around us. I had something pop up on fb comparing how people with "new" money dress as opposed to people with "old" money seems people care about these things! The language used to describe Angela Rayner's green suit on this forum positively dripped with class attitudes based on her back ground despite her being Deputy Prime Minister of the UK. As already said, social stratification is a tool used to classify people and it is rather a blunt one at that.

That made me 😁 as I thought Angela Rayners trouser suit was awful and I’m a working class woman from a very working class family.The comments about it only dripped with dislike of a ludicrous outfit, nothing more.

Just one of the many comments, there are many more like this with several posts getting deleted. I haven't included the one which described her a prostitute but used a more vulgar word.
"She is devoid of taste, class and manners. Her choice of clothing today shows her for what she is"

Stop.

We're well past those comments.

Norah

foxie48

Oreo

foxie48

Loopyloo having private pensions in addition to the state pension takes you out of the lowest class but does it really matter? However, of course you are correct in saying the nuances of class are all around us. I had something pop up on fb comparing how people with "new" money dress as opposed to people with "old" money seems people care about these things! The language used to describe Angela Rayner's green suit on this forum positively dripped with class attitudes based on her back ground despite her being Deputy Prime Minister of the UK. As already said, social stratification is a tool used to classify people and it is rather a blunt one at that.

That made me 😁 as I thought Angela Rayners trouser suit was awful and I’m a working class woman from a very working class family.The comments about it only dripped with dislike of a ludicrous outfit, nothing more.

Just one of the many comments, there are many more like this with several posts getting deleted. I haven't included the one which described her a prostitute but used a more vulgar word.
"She is devoid of taste, class and manners. Her choice of clothing today shows her for what she is"

Stop.

We're well past those comments.

Those comments won’t be forgotten Norah, because they marked a Gransnet low point for many of us. Unfortunately I don’t suppose the people who made the bad comments have changed their opinion. On the other hand, I don’t suppose any of them could make the grade as deputy PM, so comparatively, Angela is smashing it.

The thread of Angela Rayner in her green suit was the day she
became officially The Deputy PM, I cannot forget it so we are not “ well past those now “

Agreed, Annie.

There is probably no point in rehashing the AR 'debate' now, but it is fair to use it as an example of how there are still those who use notions of class to put others down, when they 'get above themselves'. AR is the perfect example. She is done so much better than most people - even those who had many advantages that she didn't - but when the small-minded can't find anything sensible to say about her, they resort to mocking her accent, her vocabulary and her clothing. When that sort of thing goes on, it shows that 'class' hasn't died out. It won't, as long as people can make themselves feel better by mocking those they see as beneath them, even when objectively they have been outclassed by those they mock.

I'm more concerned about her use of the term 'handout'. Surely the ethos of a labour government is looking after those who need help, whether that be benefits in the form of pip etc or something tangible to support a return to work. It depends on the individual need. I find the term handout distasteful in the mouth of a labour government

How long before the state pension is classed as a 'handout?' They were quick enough to call it a benefit

“I agree, and RR is doing the same, making out it’s easy to be ‘supported’ into work.Yeah, right! I’m afraid that a lot of people who can’t easily go out to work every day will slip through the many cracks of this crazy paving.🤬”

These harder to employ people have already slipped through the cracks, that’s why we are in this position.

Doodledog

Agreed, Annie.

There is probably no point in rehashing the AR 'debate' now, but it is fair to use it as an example of how there are still those who use notions of class to put others down, when they 'get above themselves'. AR is the perfect example. She is done so much better than most people - even those who had many advantages that she didn't - but when the small-minded can't find anything sensible to say about her, they resort to mocking her accent, her vocabulary and her clothing. When that sort of thing goes on, it shows that 'class' hasn't died out. It won't, as long as people can make themselves feel better by mocking those they see as beneath them, even when objectively they have been outclassed by those they mock.

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Anniebach

The thread of Angela Rayner in her green suit was the day she
became officially The Deputy PM, I cannot forget it so we are not “ well past those now “

I should have stated my objection more clearly. I remember what was said, I believe those words need not be brought up again.

Those words weee not spoken 50 years but less than 1 year ago.

Anniebach

Quote M0nica Wed 26-Mar-25 09:58:37
worriedwell, not indignant just havng a 'sigh' feeling over all this parroting of meaningless words 'working class', 'wealthy' etc etc. dislike the mindless use of imprecise words, to hide emptyness of mind and making lots of fuss about seeming to say things will be done, when at the end of the day, nothing much happens

Do tell , if working class no longer exists how can Angela Rayner say what can be done to free many of it ?

I have no idea. Since, probably, 90% of the working population need their work to support their living, it is a meaningless phrase.

Cossy I am delighted to find someone else on my side of he divide over these class distinctions being meaningless now.

I have no worries about somebody from a working class background becoming Deputy PM or any other position in politics and certainly there must be quite a lot on the Labour side.I do recognise tho that Angela Rayner is in that high position through the unions wanting someone really left wing in it so pushing for her.Early on when Starmer became the Leader of the Opposition he tried to demote her but gave in, some other Labour voters here may remember that.

Cossy

“I agree, and RR is doing the same, making out it’s easy to be ‘supported’ into work.Yeah, right! I’m afraid that a lot of people who can’t easily go out to work every day will slip through the many cracks of this crazy paving.🤬”

These harder to employ people have already slipped through the cracks, that’s why we are in this position.

In that case why give those people even more to worry about?
Very few actually want to live on benefits, they don’t get enough money that way.Those who need the benefits and can’t work in a regular way will have even less now.There must have been an impact assessment done, or was that ignored? I think people could die and I can’t believe a Labour government would do this!🤬

Anyone who is pretending that class doesn't exist should follow my daily journey from one side of the city to the other, visiting schools in the various different areas of the city. It is like moving from one country to another the differences are so great.

I should point out to posters Cossy that the first paragraph in your last post was my own comment btw.

Galaxy

Anyone who is pretending that class doesn't exist should follow my daily journey from one side of the city to the other, visiting schools in the various different areas of the city. It is like moving from one country to another the differences are so great.

Of course it exists, any other way of thinking is wishy washy liberalism or heavy blinkers.Maybe some live in lovely leafy neighbourhoods and that’s all they see.

Galaxy

Anyone who is pretending that class doesn't exist should follow my daily journey from one side of the city to the other, visiting schools in the various different areas of the city. It is like moving from one country to another the differences are so great.

I’m ten years retired after 40 years working largely in deprived areas. Galaxy puts it well. I could visit in an area of high deprivation twenty minutes drive away from wealthy (Labour voting here in the north west) suburbs. Another country is the easiest description.
One day I had an hour between visits as number 3 hadn’t been in. I was near the Whitworth Art Gallery so time for a coffee and a look at the Hogarth exhibition. Gin alley - so reminded me of the heroin mums I was visiting.
Poverty, deprivation and abuse bring so many women to their knees.
Go Angela Raynor 🙏🏽

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