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Why are we concentrating on the minutiae of government when we are building towards WW3

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Ilovedogs22 Fri 28-Mar-25 11:19:24

PoliticsNerd

It was hard to post the OP so thank you for your thoughtful replies.

Well thanks for posting PoliticsNerd, you made me think about things a little more deeply.
The tactic of stealth is often underestimated !
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Whitewavemark2 Fri 28-Mar-25 11:17:10

Well, we are not mobilising for war, nor are we on a war footing. However, I do think that the 3 big powers are circling each other and trying to work out their areas of influence and power.

The difficulty comes with the personalities. Trump is the least stable of the three with the most extreme ideas overturning the postwar settlement, unsettling Americas traditional allies, failing to provide strong support and postulating expansionism.

Putin has a dream - to re-establish the Russian empire and Ukraine is the start. His actions are being aided by America because of Trump’s apparent reluctance to face up to Putin and stop him.

Wyllow3 Fri 28-Mar-25 11:14:05

pascal30

I certainly don't underestimate how those countries are taking over large parts of the world or their stealth and cunning..

But I do agree Ilovecheese that we need also to concentrate on making sure that we hold our own government to account.. We fortunately live in a Democratic society and we should value that and our Human Rights and obligations towards the needy both here and abroad.. our current domestic problems will only be exacerbated as these three superpowers become embattled..

Yes.

I don't see a WW3 but I do see the danger of 3 superpowers carving up power aided and abetted by each other controlling military and economic forces. At the cost, clear in China and Russia, and now, it seems like Trump pushing the way of destroying real democracy.

MayBee70 Fri 28-Mar-25 11:07:24

When people bemoan the fact that we give aid to poorer countries let’s not forget that, for a long time now, China have been paying for projects in other countries to get a foothold there. And, the less we help those countries the more China will step in to fill the gap. They’re far more subtle in many ways than the other big two.

PoliticsNerd Fri 28-Mar-25 11:06:25

It was hard to post the OP so thank you for your thoughtful replies.

pascal30 Fri 28-Mar-25 10:59:22

I certainly don't underestimate how those countries are taking over large parts of the world or their stealth and cunning..

But I do agree Ilovecheese that we need also to concentrate on making sure that we hold our own government to account.. We fortunately live in a Democratic society and we should value that and our Human Rights and obligations towards the needy both here and abroad.. our current domestic problems will only be exacerbated as these three superpowers become embattled..

fancythat Fri 28-Mar-25 10:59:20

Good replies.

I agree with not writing them off as mad.

I have been thinking lately that much power at the moment seems to be in the hands of fewer and fewer people.

But I think it is only a moment in time.
They could easily become ill for example. And that is just one thing that could happen.

ayse Fri 28-Mar-25 10:55:34

I’ve just posted info on the USA - letter from America. This is pertinent to this discussion

lixy Fri 28-Mar-25 10:54:20

Because the big things are simply too huge and too unpredictable. Russia and China have always been the threats in the dark corners - ‘Reds under the bed’ anyone else remember?
My vote influences the government in my country and I can, therefore, hold it to account.
Even more relevant to me is my local council and I look at what that is prioritising even more carefully.
If we each look after our own little bit as well as we can then the force for good will be immense. Don’t underestimate the little things.

Cossy Fri 28-Mar-25 10:54:00

Ilovecheese

If Governments of any colour can keep the populous in a state of anxiety about a possible world war, then they can get away with doing whatever they like. They can ignore poverty and ill health, instead of actually trying to do something about domestic problems like these, because they just don't know what to do, or because the status quo suits them as it is.
We should not let them wriggle out of their responsibilities but should indeed keep questioning their actions.
We must keep on as we are doing and hold them to account.

Yes!

Ilovecheese Fri 28-Mar-25 10:40:28

If Governments of any colour can keep the populous in a state of anxiety about a possible world war, then they can get away with doing whatever they like. They can ignore poverty and ill health, instead of actually trying to do something about domestic problems like these, because they just don't know what to do, or because the status quo suits them as it is.
We should not let them wriggle out of their responsibilities but should indeed keep questioning their actions.
We must keep on as we are doing and hold them to account.

PoliticsNerd Fri 28-Mar-25 10:20:45

The three most illiberal, anti-democratic powers are fighting for the ownership of the world's natural resources, strategic military locations, and to destroy other strong global networks.

Do not simply mark Trump, Putin or the Chinese as mad. What Hitler did seemed mad as he attempted to build the Third Reich. What Genghis Khan did building the Mongol Empire will have seemed mad to those he conquered and sadly many of the acts carried out in the attempt to extended the Great British Empire will have seemed, at the very least, mad.

The current acquisitive three powers are not allies but they will leverage one another's moves to get what they want.