Now Trump is targeting the U.K. with tarriffs how should Sir Keir handle a response?

This is from one of Norah's links:

"I’ll tell you what, of course you hesitate. Who knows? All I know is this: We’re going to take in hundreds of billions of dollars in tariffs, and we’re going to become so rich, you’re not going to know where to spend all that money," he said. "I’m telling you, you just watch. We’re going to have jobs. We’re going to have open factories. It’s going to be great."

So who does he think is going to pay the tariffs? It sounds as though he thinks exporting countries will - not the American consumers.

It could be true that German manufacturers will switch production to the US, but it will take time to negotiate with the manufacturers, build the assembly plants and train up staff.

Other American imports to the US such as pharmaceuticals and services have to be imported because America just doesn't have the expertise to provide them. After the slashing of grants to research scientists, there's already a scramble by these people to find jobs outside the US, so where does he think the staff will come from?

I find access to the NHS and higher drug prices as the price of a trade deal more worrying than cars:

inews.co.uk/news/politics/opening-nhs-private-firms-price-trump-trade-deal-no10-warned-3500801

Very glad that its a "Red Line" for Starmer.

I think I've said it upthread but I find the tariffs on drugs (world over) something that should be made an exception of. The only winners in any trade wars as regards drugs are big Pharma not sick people wherever they are.

growstuff

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It must have been a lot earlier, because several people have posted recently the exact opposite - we export more than twicee as much to the USA as we do to Europe.

You’ve lost me Elegran you seem to be agreeing with me.
🤔

No, she's not.

The fact is (and it is a fact) that the UK exports more to the EU as a bloc than it does to the US. That's what Elegran is telling you.

She’s not.
Read it again, slowly….

Doesn’t matter. David clarified it for me.

growstuff

This is from one of Norah's links:

"I’ll tell you what, of course you hesitate. Who knows? All I know is this: We’re going to take in hundreds of billions of dollars in tariffs, and we’re going to become so rich, you’re not going to know where to spend all that money," he said. "I’m telling you, you just watch. We’re going to have jobs. We’re going to have open factories. It’s going to be great."

So who does he think is going to pay the tariffs? It sounds as though he thinks exporting countries will - not the American consumers.

It could be true that German manufacturers will switch production to the US, but it will take time to negotiate with the manufacturers, build the assembly plants and train up staff.

Other American imports to the US such as pharmaceuticals and services have to be imported because America just doesn't have the expertise to provide them. After the slashing of grants to research scientists, there's already a scramble by these people to find jobs outside the US, so where does he think the staff will come from?

He really is deluded, does he really understand tariffs?

A week later, he made a show of confused displaying cartons of eggs, bacon, milk and other grocery products outside his New Jersey golf course as he railed against the Biden administration's policies.

"When I win, I will immediately bring prices down," Trump said at the time.

He said yesterday on live tv that egg prices had come down 59% and thanked his (? agricultural aide) for “all his hard work” in this. 🤔

Apparently Trump supporters are saying that all the other countries need to do is "lower their numbers" (referencing Trump's board) and the America will do the same. These numbers are the ones on the board Trump held up.

The problem is that these figures seem to be made up.

Tariffs around the world are generally very low. For example Trump's figures claimed that New Zealand levies 20% Tariffs on US imports. New Zealand has pointed out that they maintain that the average is 1.9% with zero tariffs on a lot of good coming from the USA. The same is true for other countries.

With the Tariffs on Trump's little board turning out to be more myth than measure I wonder just how the "poor misguided fools" will believe the lies.

Never argue with stupid people.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

^A week later, he made a show of confused displaying cartons of eggs, bacon, milk and other grocery products outside his New Jersey golf course as he railed against the Biden administration's policies.^

"When I win, I will immediately bring prices down," Trump said at the time.

He said yesterday on live tv that egg prices had come down 59% and thanked his (? agricultural aide) for “all his hard work” in this. 🤔

He meant the goods have come down from the high price they had risen to since the election. Eggs have been sourced from abroad, because bird flu is endemic in parts of USA at the moment. I’m not sure it’s great to have to import eggs from Turkey and South Korea?

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It must have been a lot earlier, because several people have posted recently the exact opposite - we export more than twicee as much to the USA as we do to Europe.

You’ve lost me Elegran you seem to be agreeing with me.
🤔

No, she's not.

The fact is (and it is a fact) that the UK exports more to the EU as a bloc than it does to the US. That's what Elegran is telling you.

She’s not.
Read it again, slowly….

Doesn’t matter. David clarified it for me.

No, she corrected herself when it was pointed out (with sources) that the opposite is true.

Wyllow3

Very glad that its a "Red Line" for Starmer.

I think I've said it upthread but I find the tariffs on drugs (world over) something that should be made an exception of. The only winners in any trade wars as regards drugs are big Pharma not sick people wherever they are.

It's been a long-standing gripe of Trump (since when he was President the first time) that the NHS gets discounted prices on drugs imported from the US and pay less than American consumers.

Although drugs imported to the UK won't be affected by his new round of tariffs, it's generally believed that Trump will make drug prices and access to the NHS part of any trade deal with the UK.

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^A week later, he made a show of confused displaying cartons of eggs, bacon, milk and other grocery products outside his New Jersey golf course as he railed against the Biden administration's policies.^

"When I win, I will immediately bring prices down," Trump said at the time.

He said yesterday on live tv that egg prices had come down 59% and thanked his (? agricultural aide) for “all his hard work” in this. 🤔

CNN said yesterday that eggs have dropped by 9% which, as Bernt Nelson, an economist at the American Farm Bureau Federation says, is largely due to “a sharp decrease in cases of avian influenza, with just 2.1 million birds affected in March of this year, compared to 23 million in January and nearly 13 million in February.” He added “America’s poultry farmers have put in the work to tighten biosecurity and they’ll continue to strive to protect their flocks”.

It has also been due to people stopping buying eggs.

Price increases for eggs may have slowed but are still historically high. Egg prices in February rose a whopping 10.4% from January, and are up 58.8% compared to a year ago, according to the Consumer Price Index.

It also seems that most of the drop is due to the farmers - not Trump.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

^A week later, he made a show of confused displaying cartons of eggs, bacon, milk and other grocery products outside his New Jersey golf course as he railed against the Biden administration's policies.^

"When I win, I will immediately bring prices down," Trump said at the time.

He said yesterday on live tv that egg prices had come down 59% and thanked his (? agricultural aide) for “all his hard work” in this. 🤔

Could you try to explain your absolute need to believe this man FGT.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

^A week later, he made a show of confused displaying cartons of eggs, bacon, milk and other grocery products outside his New Jersey golf course as he railed against the Biden administration's policies.^

"When I win, I will immediately bring prices down," Trump said at the time.

He said yesterday on live tv that egg prices had come down 59% and thanked his (? agricultural aide) for “all his hard work” in this. 🤔

"There was a surge in H5N1 bird flu detections in U.S. poultry, leading to the culling of approximately 53.8 million birds between December 2024 and February 2025."

Culled birds don't lay eggs, no eggs, supply and demand. New birds are back laying eggs. Nothing for do with POTUS.

False to claim POTUS brought egg prices down.

Nothing for to do with POTUS.

PoliticsNerd

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A week later, he made a show of confused displaying cartons of eggs, bacon, milk and other grocery products outside his New Jersey golf course as he railed against the Biden administration's policies.

"When I win, I will immediately bring prices down," Trump said at the time.

He said yesterday on live tv that egg prices had come down 59% and thanked his (? agricultural aide) for “all his hard work” in this. 🤔

CNN said yesterday that eggs have dropped by 9% which, as Bernt Nelson, an economist at the American Farm Bureau Federation says, is largely due to “a sharp decrease in cases of avian influenza, with just 2.1 million birds affected in March of this year, compared to 23 million in January and nearly 13 million in February.” He added “America’s poultry farmers have put in the work to tighten biosecurity and they’ll continue to strive to protect their flocks”.

It has also been due to people stopping buying eggs.

Price increases for eggs may have slowed but are still historically high. Egg prices in February rose a whopping 10.4% from January, and are up 58.8% compared to a year ago, according to the Consumer Price Index.

It also seems that most of the drop is due to the farmers - not Trump.

The avian flu situation is still serious, interestingly the latest findings are that susceptibility to serious illness or death is decreasing due to increased immunity.

Casdon

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A week later, he made a show of confused displaying cartons of eggs, bacon, milk and other grocery products outside his New Jersey golf course as he railed against the Biden administration's policies.

"When I win, I will immediately bring prices down," Trump said at the time.

He said yesterday on live tv that egg prices had come down 59% and thanked his (? agricultural aide) for “all his hard work” in this. 🤔

He meant the goods have come down from the high price they had risen to since the election. Eggs have been sourced from abroad, because bird flu is endemic in parts of USA at the moment. I’m not sure it’s great to have to import eggs from Turkey and South Korea?

Probably not. But I imagine caterers/food manufacturers of all kinds will be happy in the short term. A stop gap measure that’s eased the situation.

PoliticsNerd

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A week later, he made a show of confused displaying cartons of eggs, bacon, milk and other grocery products outside his New Jersey golf course as he railed against the Biden administration's policies.

"When I win, I will immediately bring prices down," Trump said at the time.

He said yesterday on live tv that egg prices had come down 59% and thanked his (? agricultural aide) for “all his hard work” in this. 🤔

Could you try to explain your absolute need to believe this man FGT.

I like him. I like that he stands strong with his principles. I like that he does what he says he will do. (Rare in a politician but then he’s not like most politicians).

If he was lying about the egg prices why did he thank a member of his team on live tv for doing whatever it was they’d been doing?

It would be easy for today’s media to call him out, but they haven’t.

Trump pointed to Canada buying USA dairy.

“They say they’re giving us a deal. A very good deal. But then, when we dug a little deeper, those tariffs really weren’t so low. They were - for the first few cartons of milk - then after that, wow the tariffs shot up. Not such a good deal after all.”

I believe him.
He’s realised the USA is getting ripped off and he (or more likely his team) have uncovered many examples and have decided it needs sorting.

Fair enough.

FGT are you attracted to all felons, misogynists and sexual predators?

I think attracted is a strange word to use.
I’ve explainedthat I like the fact that he sticks to his word. He’s strong and is passionate about doing the best he can for his fellow Americans. Millions of Americans have voted for him to be POTUS - against all odds.

Kamala who?

I know I’m an outlier on here but it doesn’t make me wrong.

Trump lies frequently FGT. We've just had an example above as to the figures of tariffs that New Zealand pay that Trump held up on a board in from of the world.

latest round of examples:

edition.cnn.com/2025/02/20/politics/analysis-trumps-13-biggest-lies-first-month-2025/index.html

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PoliticsNerd

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A week later, he made a show of confused displaying cartons of eggs, bacon, milk and other grocery products outside his New Jersey golf course as he railed against the Biden administration's policies.

"When I win, I will immediately bring prices down," Trump said at the time.

He said yesterday on live tv that egg prices had come down 59% and thanked his (? agricultural aide) for “all his hard work” in this. 🤔

Could you try to explain your absolute need to believe this man FGT.

I like him. I like that he stands strong with his principles. I like that he does what he says he will do. (Rare in a politician but then he’s not like most politicians).

If he was lying about the egg prices why did he thank a member of his team on live tv for doing whatever it was they’d been doing?

It would be easy for today’s media to call him out, but they haven’t.

The media have called him out on egg price lying, it’s in the New York Times today, and was covered by CNN and BBC fact checks last week.

PoliticsNerd
Regarding the 'made up numbers on the board, I've just read this on the BBC News page.

"the White House has now published its official methodology, and it turns out there is a simple equation behind it

The calculations are based on a country’s goods trade deficit with the US. In other words, how much more the US imports than it exports. This number is then divided by the total value of imports from that country.

Let's use China as an example: The US buys more goods from China than it sells to them - there is a goods deficit of $295bn and the total amount of goods it buys from China is $440bn.

Then, we find the percentage difference between those two numbers, which = 67% - that's the number which appears in the first column of Trump’s chart.

And to work out column two - the tariff the US wishes to impose - you simply divide that number by two. "

So when Trump's people are saying other countries need to lower their numbers I can only guess that they're meaning we need to buy more US goods and export less to them. But I am only guessing.

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PoliticsNerd

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A week later, he made a show of confused displaying cartons of eggs, bacon, milk and other grocery products outside his New Jersey golf course as he railed against the Biden administration's policies.

"When I win, I will immediately bring prices down," Trump said at the time.

He said yesterday on live tv that egg prices had come down 59% and thanked his (? agricultural aide) for “all his hard work” in this. 🤔

Could you try to explain your absolute need to believe this man FGT.

I like him. I like that he stands strong with his principles. I like that he does what he says he will do. (Rare in a politician but then he’s not like most politicians).

If he was lying about the egg prices why did he thank a member of his team on live tv for doing whatever it was they’d been doing?

It would be easy for today’s media to call him out, but they haven’t.

I explained above.

POTUS states falsehoods about eggs. Do a fact check.