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Now Trump is targeting the U.K. with tarriffs how should Sir Keir handle a response?

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Lovetopaint037 Tue 01-Apr-25 02:30:29

So at last we know the U.K. is not special and we are being subjected to crippling tariffs. Therefore what should Sir Keir do? I’m thinking of some kind of retaliation.,

PoliticsNerd Fri 04-Apr-25 10:37:41

Who voted for Trump? Are all Trump supporters like the banker quoted in the Financial Times saying "I feel liberated". We can say "retard" and "pussy" without the fear of getting cancelled ... it's a new dawn."

Is this what Trump supporters believe it's all about?

David49 Fri 04-Apr-25 10:35:38

“Chinas presence in other countries, well U.K., France, Portugal, Spain etc., have all plundered and pillaged Africa and elsewhere over the years. I am not excusing China’s actions in Africa and elsewhere but pointing out that it is not unique to them.”

Here and now it’s China that’s doing the exploiting, at least the UK and other western countries do try to support some kind of proper government China doesn’t care.

Yes we all like a cheap deals and governments allow it to win votes, ignoring the long term consequences of high imports, just like allowing the US to provide our defence needs it’s an easy option, that does not mean it’s a good option

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 04-Apr-25 10:35:32

I think the way you are representing our country is horrible and rather sad, really

It’s how I’m feeling this morning Wyllow.
Disappointed in how we are run.

No matter that the ‘white privilege’ questionnaire is from the silly time of BLM - why on earth are Whitehall even engaging with it now? Daft exercise.

PoliticsNerd Fri 04-Apr-25 10:30:31

899 laid off (temporarily?) from auto-manufacturer Stellantis, as tariffs bite.

The first of many I would guess.

Wyllow3 Fri 04-Apr-25 10:27:10

FGT the telegraph article claiming a "test" is a lot of hot air shock horror Telegraph headline. The Daily Mail made a big ho-ha about it in 2021, for goodness sake. Its in the news again because Westminster council has asked its employees to take part.

It's an educative awareness questionnaire started in 2020 at the time of Black Lives Matter by the department of business and Trade.

I think the way you are representing our country is horrible and rather sad, really.

If its attempting to draw some kind of comparison with the USA as being a just, fair and free society where no one claims benefits or has difficulties with medical care or privatised utilities then go for it, as it won't get far.

PoliticsNerd Fri 04-Apr-25 10:26:22

Howard Lutnick (Commerce Secretary) was on the air yesterday with his continued message - "Let Donald Trump run the global economy" Is this what the Trump fans in this country actually want?

Talk of rationing in the USA - remember Trump telling voters "the prices are too high, the prices are too high" and promising they would be brought down on "day one"?

Casdon Fri 04-Apr-25 10:21:53

Compared with Europe I mean, sorry if that wasn’t clear?

Casdon Fri 04-Apr-25 10:21:24

FriedGreenTomatoes2

LizzieDrip because Russia is bigger?

Do you mean landmass? Is that significant, or is the fact that Russia has 32% approximately of the population of Europe more so?

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 04-Apr-25 10:12:37

LizzieDrip because Russia is bigger?

PoliticsNerd Fri 04-Apr-25 10:10:49

Apparently the EU are talking about pausing all inward investment into the USA.

LizzieDrip Fri 04-Apr-25 10:10:25

FYI FGT

news.sky.com/story/us-seems-content-to-cosy-up-to-russia-instead-of-imposing-tariffs-13341300

NotSpaghetti Fri 04-Apr-25 10:09:19

growstuff

Never argue with stupid people.

What a great saying!
I will remember this!

grin

LizzieDrip Fri 04-Apr-25 10:04:45

FGT trade between USA and Russia is currently more than that between USA and Ukraine (source Sky News online).

Yet … 10% tariffs on Ukraine and none on Russia!

Any ideas why🤔

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 04-Apr-25 09:52:20

No tariffs on Russia? Could that be because heavy sanctions are already in place?

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 04-Apr-25 09:51:17

Predictive text… Legarde of course. 😁

Whitewavemark2 Fri 04-Apr-25 09:50:49

One thing seems to be true is that, there isn’t an economist who doesn’t predict dire consequences for the USA or for that matter the ROW.

A example of one economic model which deals with and supports tariffs, and that is Keynesianism, but with a very large caveat, that they are used very specifically to support nascent industries and only for a very short time.

The way Trump is using tariffs as a supposed defence against other countries, makes zero sense, and it will soon become clear just how nonsensical Trumps “logic” is. The worlds economy will soon recover once he starts to back pedal. However, what will not recover is the geopolitical fallout from Trumps behaviour. USA soft power will be considerably lessened.

Anyone know why there are no tariffs on Russia?

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 04-Apr-25 09:50:25

to be admired when Amrica does it, but not when we do apparently. Makes you wonder what some voters use for brains, doesn't it

I think us brainless folk recognise that Trump was actually voted into power.

Legerdemain, von de Leyen et al, not so much.
Can’t get rid of them at the ballot box!

I’m glad we’re out of the profligate EU and I’d vote the same way, for Brexit, in a heartbeat.

fancythat Fri 04-Apr-25 09:49:28

That was to PoliticsNerd.

fancythat Fri 04-Apr-25 09:49:04

And they only have two Countries bordering them.
One of them quite benign. In my opinion.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 04-Apr-25 09:46:45

It’s become apparent how much the UK has sold off what little we had to foreign interests. We are very much at their mercy now. It makes me feel vulnerable to be honest. The family silver is all but gone, we don’t produce enough food - we can’t eat wild meadow flowers - and we have a very lazy cohort on benefits who have no intention of working. Tik Tok influencers are apparently showing them excellent ways to scam the system. Birmingham continues its 4 week bin strike (didn’t they get rid of pay scales and pay cleaners the same rate as bin men?), hospitals are overrun with infestation- no money for basic hygiene measures yet plenty for rainbow lanyards. I’m glad the useless Amanda Pritchard has gone. Whitehall staff now have to take a ‘white privilege test’.

Gah!
I think I need a break from the news. It’s dispiriting.

Trump will be blamed for much but a lot of it is our own stupidity.

PoliticsNerd Fri 04-Apr-25 09:44:20

fancythat

What has astounded me in all this, is how reliant the rest of the world is, on the US. In too many ways to mention.

The US does indeed have much power[not at all sure why Trump seems to have become, and be allowed, to be a one man band ].

The power comes from the fact that the states are actually 50 countries ( none smaller than a European country) working in tandem.

I wonder why we haven't thought of that. Good, and to be admired when Amrica does it, but not when we do apparently. Makes you wonder what some voters use for brains, doesn't it sad

PoliticsNerd Fri 04-Apr-25 09:38:00

our or

PoliticsNerd Fri 04-Apr-25 09:37:36

Perhaps we should (are?) talk to our remaining allies about protecting our services against the USA ... our perhaps our government already has.

fancythat Fri 04-Apr-25 09:35:01

What has astounded me in all this, is how reliant the rest of the world is, on the US. In too many ways to mention.

The US does indeed have much power[not at all sure why Trump seems to have become, and be allowed, to be a one man band ].

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 04-Apr-25 09:34:16

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

Whisper very quietly.

The UKs largest export to the USA is all types of services.

Trump hasn’t touched these.

I noticed that

Perhaps he or his team did notice and are giving us a pass?