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The USA Federal Court has backed Trump on kicking out the criminals.

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FriedGreenTomatoes2 Tue 08-Apr-25 18:16:36

Seems no one wants these bad boys living in their neighbourhood after all.
Go Trump!

And p.s.
Stock markets surged higher after Donald Trump said a deal between the US and China “will happen” as the world’s two largest economies locked horns on tariffs.

The FTSE 100 and indexes across Europe surged by more than 3pc after the President said he was waiting for a call from China as its leaders “badly” want to agree a deal with the US.

Wall Street stocks also rocketed higher amid hopes for a resolution to the turmoil caused by Mr Trump’s “liberation day” tariffs last week.

Mr Trump wrote on his Truth Social platform: “China also wants to make a deal, badly, but they don’t know how to get it started. We are waiting for their call. It will happen!”

Good news tonight in my opinion!

Wyllow3 Wed 09-Apr-25 18:57:59

Yes - although the Supreme Court "recognised" the law, it is now a legal precedent that de facto robbed it of its ability to act without due process.

imaround Wed 09-Apr-25 18:52:13

A judge in Texas issued a restraining order stopping the deportation of Venezuelans after the Supreme Courts ruling yesterday said the plaintiffs lacked standing to file in Washington DC and told them they had to file in Texas, where the immigrants are.

The ACLU immediately did so and won a temp restraining order.

The Supreme Court also told Trump that the immigrants have to have due process hearings before being deported.

Trump didn't win much of anything in this. He actually lost.

AGAA4 Wed 09-Apr-25 14:28:11

Trump is too busy gloating over all the countries coming to "kiss his ass" over tariffs to worry about little things like legal process and fairness.

imaround Wed 09-Apr-25 14:25:09

You are correct Casdon. Trump has told us repeatedly that he is only deporting hardened criminals and gang members. That is another lie.

In fact, the majority are not.

In the case of the IRS, that means those people are here legally, working and paying taxes. Not illegals. Yet they are going to be hunted down and removed anyhow.

Disgusting.

Casdon Wed 09-Apr-25 13:57:00

fancythat

imaround

Also, 75% of people deported were found to have no criminal record. He is targeting LEGAL migrants right now.

www.cbsnews.com/news/what-records-show-about-migrants-sent-to-salvadoran-prison-60-minutes-transcript/

Yikes though. Does mean 25% did.
That is a huge percentage.

Surely if people are deported because they are criminals but in fact only 25% of them are, the success rate is only 25% - which is definitely not a huge percentage, just another sign of a corrupt administration.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Wed 09-Apr-25 13:34:18

From the Daily Pnut:

“On Monday night, the Supreme Court ruled that the Trump administration is legally allowed to leverage the Alien Enemies Act to deport alleged migrant gang members, but orders Washington to give the alleged gang members due process to challenge their deportations. According to CBS, the vast majority of the alleged gang members have no criminal records, and evidence of their alleged gang activities that ICE has presented in court largely consists of the men having tattoos that are loosely associated with Tren de Aragua. One man – a professional soccer player – is even being held for having a Real Madrid tattoo, due to its crown motif.

The IRS and ICE have also reached an agreement that will see ICE use protected tax records to help deport immigrants. Several top IRS officials, including the acting commissioner, have resigned (or plan to do so) in protest of the deal. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said on X, “The cruel spree to terrorize immigrants screws over ALL working Americans. Undocumented people pay BILLIONS into Medicare, social sec, & programs they are ineligible for. Hunting them also craters the social safety net. This is how the billionaire class divides and conquers.”

Meanwhile, Washington is continuing its aggressive deportations on college campuses as well. Harvard, UCLA, and Stanford have all confirmed that some of their international students have had their student visas or green cards revoked over a range of tiny offenses, including participating in demonstrations that the White House doesn’t like – many are being held in ICE custody as part of Trump’s order to “combat the explosion of anti-Semitism on our campuses and streets.”

fancythat Wed 09-Apr-25 13:17:17

imaround

Also, 75% of people deported were found to have no criminal record. He is targeting LEGAL migrants right now.

www.cbsnews.com/news/what-records-show-about-migrants-sent-to-salvadoran-prison-60-minutes-transcript/

Yikes though. Does mean 25% did.
That is a huge percentage.

Cossy Wed 09-Apr-25 11:38:11

Trump will just continue on this wild deranged course because he’s a chancer and believes everything is worth taking risks.

IMO he acting exactly as he did when running the USA version of the Apprentice, not like a POTUS. I don’t think he knows the difference. It appears it’s all just a big game.

Wyllow3 Wed 09-Apr-25 10:15:25

There's another relevant story, which is the deportation of Kilmar Garcia to El Salvador. His status was that of protection from deportation in 2019

The government has said Mr Garcia was deported on 15 March due to an "administrative error". Despite this.....

A lower court ruled that. he should be returned by Monday under the jurisdiction of US District Judge Paula Xinis,

She had been advised by Justice department lawyer Erez Reuveni, who told her that Mr Garcia "should not have been removed".

Over the weekend Mr Reuveni – a 15-year veteran of the department – had been placed on paid administrative leave for failing to "zealously advocate on behalf of the United States.

At first the Trump administration escalated the case to a Maryland appeals court, which denied their request to stay Judge Xinis' order to bring him home..

The Supreme Court then ruled a block on bringing him back by Monday. In its emergency appeal to America's highest court, the Trump administration argued the Maryland judge lacked authority to issue the order and that US officials cannot compel El Salvador to return Mr Garcia.

It's still unclear, in the hands of the Supreme Court. There is a big campaign on it because he was removed on the grounds of being a gang member which is disputed and unproven, he is a metal sheet worker married to a US citizen.

It a battle ground as to the powers of the judiciary versus the executive and the sacking of the Justice Department lawyer who gave advice part of the story.

MaizieD Wed 09-Apr-25 10:04:04

Thanks for your post at 00.26, imaround*, setting out the facts of this judgement.

It is to be hoped that the plaintiffs are able to pursue this issue in the correct court.

Though I don't suppose the OP is in the least bit interested in the facts.

Macadia Wed 09-Apr-25 03:41:20

The reason for all of the good news happening in the US is because Trump lies. So does the media. Now that's a FACT.

imaround Wed 09-Apr-25 00:26:37

I wanted to put this here so that everyone understands what happened today at the court.

The Court did not rule in Trumps favor today. They said that the plaintiffs don't have standing in DC, they have to file in Texas.

The Court also ruled against Trump on the due process issue. They told him that he must follow due process before deporting migrants, something he is adamantly against. A Unanimous decision by the way.

"Claim by the White House:

The Supreme Court ruling made it “very clear” that Trump was “well within his constitutional authority” to carry out deportations under the Alien Enemies Act.

What the Supreme Court actually ruled:
- No Ruling on Constitutionality (5–4 decision):
The Court did not rule on whether the Trump administration’s actions were constitutional. Instead, it ruled that the lawsuit brought by the detained immigrants was filed in the wrong jurisdiction (Washington, D.C.) when it should have been filed in Texas, where the detainees were being held.

- Unanimous Ruling on Due Process (9–0 decision):
The Court ruled that detainees must be given a chance to challenge their deportations, even under the Alien Enemies Act. This safeguards some level of due process, which runs counter to the idea that the administration has unchecked authority.

Conclusion:

The Supreme Court’s decision was procedural, not a substantive endorsement of the Trump administration’s use of wartime powers. The White House’s statement overstates the ruling and wrongly implies a constitutional green light. In reality, the ruling left open the door for legal challenges — just in the correct jurisdiction."

Allira Tue 08-Apr-25 22:16:12

Sorry imaround

I must say never a day seems to go by without another shock headline!

imaround Tue 08-Apr-25 22:13:44

I don't want to any more Allira! I want to have a boring life now. wink

Allira Tue 08-Apr-25 21:46:48

"May you live in interesting times."

imaround Tue 08-Apr-25 21:46:46

He won't, trust me.

glasshalffullagain Tue 08-Apr-25 20:49:36

imaround

Yes. And Trump has the power to stop it. To bad he won't. Instead he will be spending millions in tax dollars golfing after shutting down food banks, firing a few hundred thousand workers and now doubling the cost of goods we buy due to policies reaching back to Nixon.

I wonder how many people will have to starve to death until all people take this seriously.

Starve? Oh don't let a little thing like that get in the way.

imaround Tue 08-Apr-25 20:47:11

Yes. And Trump has the power to stop it. To bad he won't. Instead he will be spending millions in tax dollars golfing after shutting down food banks, firing a few hundred thousand workers and now doubling the cost of goods we buy due to policies reaching back to Nixon.

I wonder how many people will have to starve to death until all people take this seriously.

glasshalffullagain Tue 08-Apr-25 20:43:23

Beyond the comprehension of most people, this adoration for Trump.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Tue 08-Apr-25 20:32:30

Indeed Casdon:

“ Wall Street erased gains this evening after the White House confirmed that the US would impose 104pc tariffs on China from tomorrow.

The tit-for-tat tariff hike comes after China decided to retaliate against Donald Trump’s “reciprocal” tariffs, which the US President announced last week.

China’s commerce ministry has called the move “a mistake on top of a mistake”.

The S&P 500 had risen as much as 4.1pc this afternoon before gains were wiped out. At 8:30pm this evening, all three of the main Wall Street indexes were in negative territory. The S&P 500 was down by 1.3pc, the tech-heavy Nasdaq had fallen by 1.9pc and the Dow Jones had lost 0.6pc.”

- the markets are very volatile at present!
Up and down like bluddy yo-yos.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Tue 08-Apr-25 20:12:38

No idea what I missed but well done GG13as GNHQ obviously agreed with you.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 08-Apr-25 19:58:48

I have reported ObliterationDay

Wyllow3 Tue 08-Apr-25 19:27:58

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Every little helps Wyllow especially if it’s in the right direction!

Pass. Plenty of examples otherthread of the contrary. 💁

ObliterationDay Tue 08-Apr-25 19:27:30

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FriedGreenTomatoes2 Tue 08-Apr-25 19:18:21

BLM was taken over by some black activists and grifters who creamed off the assets of the huge charity donations if I remember correctly? Mansions for some?

I think if this bothers you so much OD it might be worth a separate thread? See you on there perhaps?