Is it time to stop paying £££s millions to the French?

Australia is a lot harder to reach from Indonesia than the UK is from France which might ,just possibly, partially account for the lack of boat crossings now. Also we use our navy because we don’t want to be invaded but the UK navy is too busy to be engaged in such a trivial matter.

Iam64

The problem is that world events, climate change etc will mean genuine (as well as less genuine) people will try to get to Europe. Stopping crime is always a tough job and stopping these criminal gangs seems almost beyond European governments. International problems need international solutions as well as individual countries trying to protect their borders and provide sanctuary to asylum seekers.

As Wyllow and others have repeated. There are no legal routes for asylum.

And as I have said, how on earth can we keep absorbing this number of people when our Resources are already pushed to their limits..🤷‍♀️

The problem is that world events, climate change etc will mean genuine (as well as less genuine) people will try to get to Europe. Stopping crime is always a tough job and stopping these criminal gangs seems almost beyond European governments. International problems need international solutions as well as individual countries trying to protect their borders and provide sanctuary to asylum seekers.

As Wyllow and others have repeated. There are no legal routes for asylum.

JenniferEccles

Sunak failed to address the problem of the illegal migrants, and I was certain Starmer didn’t have the answer either, which appears to be the case.

What we need is a tough, radical approach by someone who is willing to do whatever it takes, regardless of the opposition from the human rights brigade.

How about stating ( and meaning it) that those arriving here illegally are automatically banned from applying for asylum and will be deported.

Could that someone be Nigel Farage?

1. There are no legal routes to apply for asylum.
2. Deported if not given asylum where to, unless the destination country accepts.
So how, exactly?

glasshalffullagain

I'm not entirely sure what your point is? It was clean and adequate and dated.

The owners sold it as a going concern.

Because they wanted money?

I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

The hotel is still owned by Great Western, or so I thought. Is your information more up-to-date? I could be wrong.

Requisitioning does not mean the same as acquiring if that is where the confusion arose.

Sunak failed to address the problem of the illegal migrants, and I was certain Starmer didn’t have the answer either, which appears to be the case.

What we need is a tough, radical approach by someone who is willing to do whatever it takes, regardless of the opposition from the human rights brigade.

How about stating ( and meaning it) that those arriving here illegally are automatically banned from applying for asylum and will be deported.

Could that someone be Nigel Farage?

glasshalffullagain

It has been taken over by SERCO who make billions, not scruffy black young men in track suits.

Now THAT sounds a bit racist to me.. ..

Luckygirl3

OwdGeezer

Rwanda was the answer; it would have sent a clear message to both the traffickers and their victims and within a short period of time the whole people trafficking business would have dried up. But Keir knew best. And here we are: 8000 more already and more deaths are inevitable.

It is not a case of "Kier knew best", but of the Rwanda scheme breaching international law because Rwanda if not a safe place. Millions were squandered on this.

Also, people sent to Rwanda would be able to leave there and return to Europe to try to obtain asylum again if they chose to, so it wasn’t an effective deterrent.

OwdGeezer
Do you mean the "bailed waste" fly tipping gangs?

www.lichfielddc.gov.uk/news/article/1006/gang-behind-fly-tip-at-former-gkn-premises-in-lichfield-sentenced?hl=en-GB

OwdGeezer

Rwanda was the answer; it would have sent a clear message to both the traffickers and their victims and within a short period of time the whole people trafficking business would have dried up. But Keir knew best. And here we are: 8000 more already and more deaths are inevitable.

It is not a case of "Kier knew best", but of the Rwanda scheme breaching international law because Rwanda if not a safe place. Millions were squandered on this.

I don't know why we can't question these issues without the s**t hitting the fan.

Terribull as usual, spot on.

Luckygirl3

I wonder what people think the solution might be? - and the logistics/finance of making it happen. I would be interested in people's ideas and concrete plans.

Wouldn't that be good! A posse of Gransnetters.

They could apply to become SPADS.

Casdon

I don’t envisage many people attempt to cross several hundreds of miles of ocean from Papua New Guinea to Australia on a rubber dinghy FriedGreenTomatoes2.

Boat, not dinghy.

It's in the semantics.

Lichfield

Lichfield? What has my lovely Lichfield to do with it?
Mind you, it's a long time since I was there.

Oh For God's sake stop slithering about, you are terrified of people arriving in Altrincham who might not look the part

😮

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I think she meant me GG13. Another personal insult which I shan’t demean myself by answering. Neither will I report it. However I shall not engage with this poster again on this nor any other thread going forward. She can join the other one I no longer respond to.

I don't see a personal insult? I think OP, you mentioned people being unable to hold their weddings in the Cresta Court Hotel.

I was providing a little local context and the fact that the owners were happy enough to accept money from SERCO in exchange for housing refugees.

Oh For God's sake stop slithering about, you are terrified of people arriving in Altrincham who might not look the part.

I would imagine that even Altrincham doesn't want their public parks to become a no go area because of the gangs of men screaming at each other and fighting with knives in broad daylight. Or the schoolgirls who no longer go to the park because they get harassed by men asking them to go back to their accommodation with them. Perhaps they look more the part in your neck of the woods glasshalffullagain, in which case, you're welcome to the gangs from Lichfield.

*meatball? Ha! ‘meantime’

The problem is Allsorts we often do not know from whence they came. Plus even if we did our hands are tied unless their governments will accept them back. Crazy stuff isn’t it? We play by the Queensbury rules and other countries choose not to, so we are a bit stuck. Unless something changes. In the meatball summer is approaching, rubber boats are being commissioned and we await these irregular migrants - at huge expense.

I think she meant me GG13. Another personal insult which I shan’t demean myself by answering. Neither will I report it. However I shall not engage with this poster again on this nor any other thread going forward. She can join the other one I no longer respond to.

I D cards are the way forward. If anyone accepted here commits a crime in first ten years send them back to country of origin as it might focus their minds.

glasshalffullagain

Oh For God's sake stop slithering about, you are terrified of people arriving in Altrincham who might not look the part.

If this was aimed at me, you really are way off mark.

I live in the South East, have only been to Manchester once in my life for a conference twenty plus years ago.

I found a fact check on the Australian system, done at the time Rwanda was being considered in the UK.

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-did-australian-offshore-asylum-system-reduce-boat-crossings

I also found this, which is a fascinating insight into what happened when a boat evaded the patrols.

www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-21/boat-landing-beagle-bay-asylum-seekers/103488396

Oh For God's sake stop slithering about, you are terrified of people arriving in Altrincham who might not look the part.

M0nica

Perhaps outrage should be better expended on the person wrote

I have just seen them all disembarking and wrapping themselves in lovely warm blankets that are handed to them

I like others want to see the boats stopped, but I also think that should not stop us showing compassion for those that arrive in these boats. Most of them have been driven from their homes by war, catastrophe and disaster. Thie journeys, mainly form the Middle East and Afghanistan have been long, horrendous and dreadful. I suspect about 99% of them would have preferred to have remained in their country of origin among friends and family, had the conditions been even half OK.

As they say, we can hate the sin but love the sinner.

Remarks like the above, make me feel sick.

I agree M0nica!

Also perhaps outrage might be levelled at the poster pouring scorn on the ‘idiot charities’ who distribute life jackets. Sickening!